All those not buying SH5 please move along.

Originally Posted by cherbert

Can all the whiners who are not buying SH5 please leave and go back to the SH3 and SH4 forums you really are polluting the threads in here.

I bet half of you are hypocrites and will buy the game and are simply jumping on the anti-drm bandwagon.

Yes DRM sucks - but all I'm interested in at the moment is the excitement of what looks to be a an amazing leap forward in Submarine simulations and all I want to do is share that with like minded individuals who are as excited as I am. I always thought that was what subsim.com was all about.

The announced modding features virtually mean we are not a million miles from having what looks like a full SDK. Should we not be excited about this?

If you aren't buying it then move along - you don't need to be here.

Failing that can Neil create a forum called SH5 - Anti-DRM campaign. And leave the rest of us to look forward to this game in peace.

No this is a community discussion forum and we are all free to voice our concerns. If I want to be censored I will join the Official Ubisoft Silent Hunter Forum

[Jaeger]

you guys forget that ubi isnt selling the game to subsim only. the casual gamer is the first target for earning money, and the casual gamer isnt interested in drm in or not. so, there is no need to complain about ubi, most of the players will like it, though drm is in.

conclusion: please stop dashing the forum with your complains. take one thread for this and stop changing each thread to a drm discussion. you are against it, most people arent.

[TDK1044]

Originally Posted by Jaeger

you guys forget that ubi isnt selling the game to subsim only. the casual gamer is the first target for earning money, and the casual gamer isnt interested in drm in or not. so, there is no need to complain about ubi, most of the players will like it, though drm is in.

conclusion: please stop dashing the forum with your complains. take one thread for this and stop changing each thread to a drm discussion. you are against it, most people arent.

We'll see how happy the casual gamer is when the Ubisoft servers consistently boot him off, and every time he tries to reconnect he can't.

[Jaeger]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

We'll see how happy the casual gamer is when the Ubisoft servers consistently boot him off, and every time he tries to reconnect he can't.

dont confound online play and drm. drm only means, they will save your data on data servers. like cloud computing. office 2007 uses it, each email account is in the internet etc. cloud computing (means to save your data on internet servers) is savier than saving on your harddrive, which will be killed 2 times a year. cloud computing is the future, google has developed a whole system, which runs your software from internet. no hard disk needed anymore. and remember: they only get your ip, not your name! they can do market research (that is why they are doing this, piracy is an alibi here). remember google: they know everything about you!

drm brings one disadvantage: ubi knwos, when you are playing! but more good points: your data is save (data servers never are down, they have security servers (remember your emailaccount, when was it down last time?) and second: drm gives the possibility to update your game and to have online rankings. this is a main point the casual gamer is looking for!

Originally Posted by Jaeger

dont confound online play and drm. drm only means, they will save your data on data servers. like cloud computing. office 2007 uses it, each email account is in the internet etc. cloud computing (means to save your data on internet servers) is savier than saving on your harddrive, which will be killed 2 times a year. cloud computing is the future, google has developed a whole system, which runs your software from internet. no hard disk needed anymore. and remember: they only get your ip, not your name! they can do market research (that is why they are doing this, piracy is an alibi here). remember google: they know everything about you!

drm brings one disadvantage: ubi knwos, when you are playing! but more good points: your data is save (data servers never are down, they have security servers (remember your emailaccount, when was it down last time?) and second: drm gives the possibility to update your game and to have online rankings. this is a main point the casual gamer is looking for!

Can I ask ? Do you actually see what a long peace of crap your speech is..? I just don't know from which end should I begin bashing it.. Luckily to you I'm just too lazy for this atm.. But one I can say about your so frequently mentioned casual player. I assume this should be a 12-year old shoot'em'up arcade style kid who shall by mistake intall SH5 too see what it's all about and after 10 min of play he'll become bored to death and will get back to his good old cs or quake or whatever.. Casual player..my arse. Because Simulator and it's nature isn't ment to be dedicated for casual players at all but for those who became enough mature for it. However these ppl are way more above your casual player mentioned.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Jaeger

dont confound online play and drm. drm only means, they will save your data on data servers. like cloud computing. office 2007 uses it, each email account is in the internet etc. cloud computing (means to save your data on internet servers) is savier than saving on your harddrive, which will be killed 2 times a year. cloud computing is the future, google has developed a whole system, which runs your software from internet. no hard disk needed anymore. and remember: they only get your ip, not your name! they can do market research (that is why they are doing this, piracy is an alibi here). remember google: they know everything about you!

Originally Posted by Richard Stallman

"[Cloud computing is] stupidity. It's worse than stupidity: it's a marketing hype campaign,"

"Somebody is saying this is inevitable – and whenever you hear somebody saying that, it's very likely to be a set of businesses campaigning to make it true."

[Nicolas]

I think not, becuase if enough people doens't like this, or not buying because of this, it's good to make noise so they can know a lot disagree with this DRM.

[Iron Budokan]

I for one am NOT going to be quiet about this or have my voice silenced.

So. Yeah. You'll have to deal with that, I'm afraid.

[Rockin Robbins]

The DRM controversy is flooding the board because it SHOULD flood the board. Customers dictate what successful products contain, not producers. The customer always gets what he wants, if not from a brain-dead company that refuses to meet their desires, then from another who rushes in to fill the vacuum and eat the first company's lunch.

That is what Home Depot did to Scotty's and what Lowes did in turn to Home Depot. As each established company decided to run a 100,000 square foot store with two people who flipped hamburgers the previous week (controlling expenses you know!), another leaped into the position of helping home self-improvers with the information they needed to do their projects.

If Ubi falls, we won't lose the subsim genre. There may be a hiccup, but we will be served by a company who better understands us. One thing about us that Ubi doesn't seem to understand is that we will only accept DRM if it truly penalizes the pirates and if it does not unnecessarily (in OUR judgment) damage our ability to play the game.

In fact, I would argue that on-line DRM will only be accepted if it significantly enhances the game, if it is rock-solid dependable and if it leaves off-line play available. If they want us to be logged on every minute we play, there better be stuff there we can't live without. That means game enhancement, not being left with a crippled game if you're not on-line.

I believe preordering SH5, especially in the face of the DRM announcement, is plain foolishness. If we have learned anything at all from SH3 and SH4 it is that Ubi has to earn our trust with each successive product. We should buy only after they meet their burden of proof that they have delivered an acceptable product. Shoving money their way based on smoke and mirrors only encourages more shenanigans on their part. How many times do they have to prove that they have no concept of customer needs and desires before we treat them accordingly?

But running in circles screaming and shouting isn't required yet. We have nothing but smoke and mirrors to evaluate. I'm waiting and seeing what is happening here. When the game comes out, I'll pull the arrows out of the "brave" pioneers and ask them what manner of Indians had such good aim. My game strategy has always been to purchase the game from one of the dying pioneers on eBay for cheap if I'm interested in taking a chance.

If this is not possible due to DRM restrictions I most likely will not be purchasing SH5 ever. I'm perfectly happy with SH4 and see no reason to "upgrade" without a compelling reason. SH5 is less and less compelling with each passing day.

As far as leaving Subsim because I choose to discuss DRM, my sentiments would have me banned from Subsim, which would meet the OP's desire. Therefore I will act in my own best interests and continue to infest this and other threads about DRM.

Subsim is not a democracy, it is a kingdom. The King sets the rules and we either follow them or aren't welcome here. Fortunately, we have a good king!

[codmander]

that would be captain whiner dang greenhorn
probly ubi employee

[piri_reis]

Ah
another blind believer, go on and see it as you please mate.

Originally Posted by Jaeger

dont confound online play and drm. drm only means, they will save your data on data servers. like cloud computing. office 2007 uses it, each email account is in the internet etc. cloud computing (means to save your data on internet servers) is savier than saving on your harddrive, which will be killed 2 times a year. cloud computing is the future, google has developed a whole system, which runs your software from internet. no hard disk needed anymore. and remember: they only get your ip, not your name! they can do market research (that is why they are doing this, piracy is an alibi here). remember google: they know everything about you!

[danlisa]

Originally Posted by Jaeger

you guys forget that ubi isnt selling the game to subsim only. the casual gamer is the first target for earning money, and the casual gamer isnt interested in drm in or not. so, there is no need to complain about ubi, most of the players will like it, though drm is in.

conclusion: please stop dashing the forum with your complains. take one thread for this and stop changing each thread to a drm discussion. you are against it, most people arent.

How about no!

This is a discussion board on Subsim for Subsim members and currently 55% of those members are waiting for the DRM to be removed before buying it.

Consequently, only 17% of Subsim members state that the DRM does not bother them.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but one thing that is not tolerated is forceful imposing of those opinions. To you and the OP, you can have your own thoughts on the majority of Subsim members but you can't tell them to Shut Up and Get out.

[sabretwo]

Originally Posted by Jaeger

you are against it, most people arent.

Where do you get "most" from?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=160783

[Jaeger]

Originally Posted by sabretwo

Where do you get "most" from?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=160783

i know, the sh titles selled 1,5 mios of times. i dont think these are all "realism fanatics" like we are. most of them (and these "most" dictate the targest of ubi!) are casual gamers...

And all the rest who found its implementation to SH5 applausable by UBI..