Marean M speaks about modding SH5 28/01/2010

[Ducimus]

You'll have the old tools (Mission Editor) plus some new ones, we hope you'll enjoy. That's exactly the same tools the team used to create the game in the first place.

If thats true, then you'll see a whole new crop of modders. Im picturing something like a TES construction kit for Oblivion, or the GECK for Fallout 3. Those games have tons of mods and modders. So, if it is along the same vain, then you'll have more mods then you'll know what to do with.

Hmm Mod soup........

[Reece]

Since I'm not going to purchase the game while DRM is in place I couldn't give a hoot about modding!!

[JScones]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

If thats true, then you'll see a whole new crop of modders. Im picturing something like a TES construction kit for Oblivion, or the GECK for Fallout 3. Those games have tons of mods and modders. So, if it is along the same vain, then you'll have more mods then you'll know what to do with.

Hmm Mod soup........

Good point actually - many thought (think) that SH3 was mod soup (dunno about SH4), so just imagine what it's gonna be like if SH5 modders are empowered with new tools! "Can someone pls explain why my game is crashing - I only have 752 mods installed, so it should be stable?!"

It's great that the game is (allegedly) more moddable than SH3 and SH4 and it's great that the devs have included some mod development tools, but IMHO mod control is gonna be a real b!tch!

[McBeck]

Originally Posted by JScones

Good point actually - many thought (think) that SH3 was mod soup (dunno about SH4), so just imagine what it's gonna be like if SH5 modders are empowered with new tools! "Can someone pls explain why my game is crashing - I only have 752 mods installed, so it should be stable?!"

It's great that the game is (allegedly) more moddable than SH3 and SH4 and it's great that the devs have included some mod development tools, but IMHO mod control is gonna be a real b!tch!

lol...yeah...we are in a world of hurt - too many mods!!!

[Boris]

It's great how you guys can find a negative spin on everything!

[Alienfresser]

Well, he didn't said a word about adding or altering the models.

Hey, just wanted to find some negative thing to report.

[Adriatico]

Originally Posted by Boris

It's great how you guys can find a negative spin on everything!

Did you ever asked yourself what % of this planet has the internet connection of the same quality as Hamburg ?

[stabiz]

Originally Posted by Adriatico

Did you ever asked yourself what % of this planet has the internet connection of the same quality as Hamburg ?

I`m with ya, but thats not really the point in this one.

[Boris]

Originally Posted by Adriatico

Did you ever asked yourself what % of this planet has the internet connection of the same quality as Hamburg ?

My internet connection is awesome!!! 32Mbits for 30 Euros a month
So I'd say very few people around the world have that kind of connection.

But that's not the topic here. The fact we're getting comprehensive modding tools is great.
But yes, it is a shame that the DRM sullies such great prospects.

[Adriatico]

Originally Posted by Boris

My internet connection is awesome!!! 32Mbits for 30 Euros a month
So I'd say very few people around the world have that kind of connection.

It's not about the speed but reliability...
You should see my face when I sneak into convoy after 30 min of sweating and brain storming - with a massage on periscope "lost internet connection" !

But let us not steal the thread...

[martes86]

Originally Posted by Boris

My internet connection is awesome!!! 32Mbits for 30 Euros a month
So I'd say very few people around the world have that kind of connection.

Wow, you're one lucky guy. I think we're paying about +100 euros a month for our 12MB cable internet (plus phone and TV). And we're damn lucky about it. Not too long ago, 3MB ADSL could be priced at 60 euros/month or more, and the service would be crap. And a lot of small towns here (even some capitals are small) don't have that much coverage, being stuck most of the time with the usual monopolistic crappy ADSL. Obviously, they didn't think of countries like ours, where we're still struggling to get quality offers.

Anyways, back on topic (sorry about that), I think I'll buy it anyways, just in case, and to try it of course, to see how it all ended since we saw the preview at Copenhaguen. And if I see the modding (and script programming) is fair enough (Mihai's post just gave me some hope again), I might even get into releasing mod stuff. But I need to try it first, I might even post a review, so that eveyone knows what they're getting their hands on to.

Cheers

[urfisch]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

That's the main problem for Ubi, one week ago (pre DRM announcement) this news would have made 15 pages of discussion in just a few hours and Urfish's modding thread would be bouncing.
Now people are happy but since most of us won't be buying (and modding) the game before DRM is removed, and this might mean not before 6 months or who knows how long, well... Not so exciting.

the whole information policy is pure crap!!! nothing to add on this topic...

[onelifecrisis]

Originally Posted by JScones

Good point actually - many thought (think) that SH3 was mod soup (dunno about SH4), so just imagine what it's gonna be like if SH5 modders are empowered with new tools! "Can someone pls explain why my game is crashing - I only have 752 mods installed, so it should be stable?!"

It's great that the game is (allegedly) more moddable than SH3 and SH4 and it's great that the devs have included some mod development tools, but IMHO mod control is gonna be a real b!tch!

Mod control is always a bitch and it's IMO down to the user, not the modders, to only use mods that are compatible with each other. You only need two incompatible mods (not seven hundred!) to break a game. In fact you don't even need two mods - one bad mod alone will do it! This is why with any game I will only ever use a handful of good quality 'essential' mods. People who use seven hundred mods on a game only have themselves to blame when it goes tits up.

On topic: this sounds like good news, but I'm still hoping that the game plays fine without any mods at all.

[sk065]

good news but too little too late me thinks.....

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by JScones

Good point actually - many thought (think) that SH3 was mod soup (dunno about SH4), so just imagine what it's gonna be like if SH5 modders are empowered with new tools! "Can someone pls explain why my game is crashing - I only have 752 mods installed, so it should be stable?!"

It's great that the game is (allegedly) more moddable than SH3 and SH4 and it's great that the devs have included some mod development tools, but IMHO mod control is gonna be a real b!tch!

Ohhh you have no idea. let me put it this way. Amongst us modders in SH4, we have what we call, "The circle runner award". We joke about it in private, and the pun being the mod combination cited by the end user, is tantamount to shooting a circular running torpedo.

Here's a few of the finer examples:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...2&postcount=11
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...postcount=1485
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=997
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...36&postcount=1


Imagine this, X 10.

As an aside, I post this, in this manner so that if some end users from SH4 do read this.. Jebus H chris guys, Go easy with the mod combinations! If your using a supermod, odds are it's already incorporated the small stuff!