The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread - Page 38

floundericiousWA · 01-28-10, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by trenken

http://webupon.com/web-talk/dial-up-...ming-obsolete/

That will tell you all you need to know.

Wow, answer a request for data to back up your "no one uses dial up" with an opinion piece about how no one should use dial up.

Overachieve, trenken, you're doin' a heckuva job!

trenken · 01-28-10, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by floundericiousWA

Wow, answer a request for data to back up your "no one uses dial up" with an opinion piece about how no one should use dial up.

Overachieve, trenken, you're doin' a heckuva job!

Say what you want, you can pretend all day that single player only games will never need a constant connection, or that everyone is still using dial up, you're simply wrong.

But whatever helps you sleep at night. I know in 2 years you'll be one of those sad saps still looking for offline games. It's a thing of the past, its your problem alone if you cant accept the new trend. Noone is going to write any sad songs about people still using dial up, sorry.

BulSoldier · 01-28-10, 01:32 PM

But what about ppl that for one reason or another have no internet connection at the moment.I may be dont need internet at the moment, may be i just want to play some games on the pc and dont need the internet to read forums,news or whatever.Why i have to pay Internet provider in order to play i game i bought ?

tater · 01-28-10, 01:33 PM

Requiring a constant connection to play an OFFLINE game is absurd, and not progress.

Writing off people who travel on business? I know at mommy's house you have 24/7 connectivity, but on that flight to Tokyo it gets mighty boring, and a multi-hour game is just the trick sometimes.

There is simply no reason for a constant check. As a VOLUNTARY feature for save games, etc. Awesome idea. The whole idea of online saves is NOT to protect from hardware failures—many of us use off-site backups anyway (Mozy, Carbonite, etc)—it's to allow you to pick up a game to played at home while traveling. I play a campaign, then I can load up my save game on the laptop in the airport, then play for 5 hours? That would rock. Sorry, my game is going to hang while it tries to connect in the middle of the PTO. The only real plus of online saves rendered moot.

The primary reason for this DRM scheme, IMO, is not to reduce piracy. It's for marketing data. Ubi will know which of their games you play. They'll know what hours you prefer to play, and for how long. They'll know you die a lot and reload saves (and design more twitch games for you!). They can use this data to decide what direction to go gaming wise. That's the point of discount cards at the grocery store, for example. It's to track your shopping habits.

simsurfer · 01-28-10, 01:37 PM

BulSoldier · 01-28-10, 01:39 PM

The only difference is that at the store they dont tell you that you cant buy unless you use the card...

trenken · 01-28-10, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BulSoldier

But what about ppl that for one reason or another have no internet connection at the moment.I may be dont need internet at the moment, may be i just want to play some games on the pc and dont need the internet to read forums,news or whatever.Why i have to pay Internet provider in order to play i game i bought ?

Like I said, you want technology to just stop progressing for you? That's absurd. Some people will left behind by technology. It's always been that way.

What about all those people that were still using rabbit ears to get a cable signal when it all switched to digital last year? They got left behind, it's their problem to deal with now.

jclasper · 01-28-10, 01:39 PM

I notice how Trenken always avoids answering questions and continually defends DRM. I am one of the boring old farts and have been playing games since pong I have a very stable always on connection But no desire to play online it just does not interest me. If it did then i would not be against a connection to play the game however this is not the case I want to be able to play a game in single player mode that goes not mean i want a publisher to tell me oh yes we will let you play |It is not for them to decide it is for me. I agree piracy is a bad thing and something needs to be done but these draconian measures just make me sick of being treated like a criminal why is it that the honest majority have to be made to suffer for the sins of the minority and its not just with games its like this in real life just look at the security measures taken by governments curtailing our freedom
In Europe we have the human rights act In the US the constitution they both give us the right in our respective areas to free speech and not to have govt interfere in our lives so why should we roll over and let a corperation invade our privacy just to be able to play a game
If we all beleved as trenken then the end result is 24/7 monitoring by govt and big business

tater · 01-28-10, 01:41 PM

PS—stop harping on the dial-up red herring. It's not about that. The people here download mods, for example. Not even possible with dialup unless you are remarkably masochistic given typical mod sizes these days that change perhaps a majority of the stock game files.

DRM at some level? Fine.

Phoning home? That's even fine.

It doesn't need to be in constant touch.

BTW, the save games will only be useful assuming saved game files are good data to start with and don't break the game like they have in both recent SH games. Saving a corrupted file on the net helps no one.

KG_Jag · 01-28-10, 01:45 PM

Does the dead horse represent some posters or the game?

sabretwo · 01-28-10, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trenken

I dont know anyone that doesnt have a constant connection to the internet so that argument makes no sense to me. I built a new machine, installed the game again, right back to where I left off on the other machine. So much better than the way games used to be.

Only exceptions I think are people on dialup, which is still nuts to me, there's so few of them now that game dev's dont worry about them anymore, and thats how it should be, things need to keep moving forward. And people that use their laptops in hotels, and really, how many of them are playing SH on a laptop in a hotel room?

I guess you don't travel much. A LOT of the world beyond North America and Europe have bad Internet infrastructure.

(Yes, UBI, there is a world outside North America and Europe and they do buy games too!)

Even in the US and Europe infrastructure is limited in many places...

My business partners and I own a $1M property in the Blue Ridge Mountains. I take my family up there at least thirty days a year. What's our Internet connection up there? satellite. Have you ever tried the Internet on a satellite connection when its raining and overcast for three days straight?

Thomen · 01-28-10, 01:50 PM

Well, lets see how many people in the US had broadband by June 09?

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79,014,100 Internet broadband connections as of June/09, per ITU

compared to:

Quote:

227,719,000 Internet users as of Aug/09, 74.1% penetration, N-O.

That doesn't look like most to me..

Now, lets see how many play online games..

Quote:

Almost 64 percent of Americans have played a video game in the past six months versus only 53 percent who have gone out to see a movie, according to a report from market research firm NPD Group.
.....
One factor for the surge in gaming is the number of new outlets, such as social networks and online gaming sites, said the report. Around 10 percent of people surveyed have played video games on a social network, while five percent have paid to download games online.

So, thats 10% that played games online. And that number includes every damn game that is out there and playable over the Inet.

BulSoldier · 01-28-10, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jclasper

I notice how Trenken always avoids answering questions and continually defends DRM. I am one of the boring old farts and have been playing games since pong I have a very stable always on connection But no desire to play online it just does not interest me. If it did then i would not be against a connection to play the game however this is not the case I want to be able to play a game in single player mode that goes not mean i want a publisher to tell me oh yes we will let you play |It is not for them to decide it is for me. I agree piracy is a bad thing and something needs to be done but these draconian measures just make me sick of being treated like a criminal why is it that the honest majority have to be made to suffer for the sins of the minority and its not just with games its like this in real life just look at the security measures taken by governments curtailing our freedom
In Europe we have the human rights act In the US the constitution they both give us the right in our respective areas to free speech and not to have govt interfere in our lives so why should we roll over and let a corperation invade our privacy just to be able to play a game
If we all beleved as trenken then the end result is 24/7 monitoring by govt and big business

Well they dont force you to buy the game, but the conditions they will sell it to us are unacceptable.The one thing i can do to show them (apart from speaking plain words) that i dont agree with the conditions and i will buy it if there arent and drm is to not buy it.When this is done in enough numbers and backed up with explanation it will give them the right message.

Task Force · 01-28-10, 01:57 PM

Hmm. wonder if the iphone version comes with DRM.

or whatever the hell there calling it. lol

Thomen · 01-28-10, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Task Force

Hmm. wonder if the iphone version comes with DRM.

or whatever the hell there calling it. lol

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01-28-10, 01:33 PM	#559
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Requiring a constant connection to play an OFFLINE game is absurd, and not progress. Writing off people who travel on business? I know at mommy's house you have 24/7 connectivity, but on that flight to Tokyo it gets mighty boring, and a multi-hour game is just the trick sometimes. There is simply no reason for a constant check. As a VOLUNTARY feature for save games, etc. Awesome idea. The whole idea of online saves is NOT to protect from hardware failures—many of us use off-site backups anyway (Mozy, Carbonite, etc)—it's to allow you to pick up a game to played at home while traveling. I play a campaign, then I can load up my save game on the laptop in the airport, then play for 5 hours? That would rock. Sorry, my game is going to hang while it tries to connect in the middle of the PTO. The only real plus of online saves rendered moot. The primary reason for this DRM scheme, IMO, is not to reduce piracy. It's for marketing data. Ubi will know which of their games you play. They'll know what hours you prefer to play, and for how long. They'll know you die a lot and reload saves (and design more twitch games for you!). They can use this data to decide what direction to go gaming wise. That's the point of discount cards at the grocery store, for example. It's to track your shopping habits.

01-28-10, 01:39 PM	#563
jclasper Swabbie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Exiled Geordie Posts: 9 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 0	I notice how Trenken always avoids answering questions and continually defends DRM. I am one of the boring old farts and have been playing games since pong I have a very stable always on connection But no desire to play online it just does not interest me. If it did then i would not be against a connection to play the game however this is not the case I want to be able to play a game in single player mode that goes not mean i want a publisher to tell me oh yes we will let you play \|It is not for them to decide it is for me. I agree piracy is a bad thing and something needs to be done but these draconian measures just make me sick of being treated like a criminal why is it that the honest majority have to be made to suffer for the sins of the minority and its not just with games its like this in real life just look at the security measures taken by governments curtailing our freedom In Europe we have the human rights act In the US the constitution they both give us the right in our respective areas to free speech and not to have govt interfere in our lives so why should we roll over and let a corperation invade our privacy just to be able to play a game If we all beleved as trenken then the end result is 24/7 monitoring by govt and big business

01-28-10, 01:41 PM	#564
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	PS—stop harping on the dial-up red herring. It's not about that. The people here download mods, for example. Not even possible with dialup unless you are remarkably masochistic given typical mod sizes these days that change perhaps a majority of the stock game files. DRM at some level? Fine. Phoning home? That's even fine. It doesn't need to be in constant touch. BTW, the save games will only be useful assuming saved game files are good data to start with and don't break the game like they have in both recent SH games. Saving a corrupted file on the net helps no one.

01-28-10, 01:45 PM	#565
KG_Jag Bosun Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Braunfels, TX & Reno, NV Posts: 67 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Does the dead horse represent some posters or the game?