The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by KL-alfman

hmm, then I'm afraid to mention that you cannot take part in DRM's benefits!

Poor me.

Somehow that doesn't bother me as much as some people think it should.

Originally Posted by trenken

Because, then you get people creating their own content and they dont see any money out of it. Its just the way it is, people forget that these are businesses, they need money to survive.

What part of "I CAN'T get on the internet" did you miss? If they make a game that way I simply cannot play it.

We're all adults here, you cant see things from their perspective as well?

Yes, I can. But you haven't answered my question.

With DRM, it kills modding,

This is a good thing how?

and allows them to make some more money selling maybe a dev tool for the community which ive seen, and sell expansions.

All of which they could do now for SH3 and SH4, but they haven't. What makes you think they will for this one?

Its good for them and turns out to be good for us in the end as well.

"Us?" For you maybe, but for me and many others? Well, we're just screwed, aren't we. And all of your love for this toy won't change that.

[trenken]

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Not quite
With FO3 you can cut connection and drive off merrily playing
With SH5 you have to stay connected

Not the same then

Come on man, thats the same thing. I know the point the other guy is trying to make, the constant connection. If I need a connection to launch it, I think I would have a connection later on as well.

Who has a connection to launch a game, and not one after that? Its the same deal with both games, you need a connection to run it.

[tater]

To be clear, checking at game launch is a special case. A single moment in time. So the chances of a net glitch during that tiny launch/check period are small indeed.

This scheme has the game stop if the connection even pauses during your X hours of play.

Completely, totally unacceptable. Full stop.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by trenken

We're all adults here, you cant see things from their perspective as well? With DRM, it kills modding, and allows them to make some more money selling maybe a dev tool for the community which ive seen, and sell expansions. Its good for them and turns out to be good for us in the end as well.

Anything that kills modding for the SH series is most definitely NOT good for us.

[tater]

Originally Posted by trenken

Come on man, thats the same thing. I know the point the other guy is trying to make, the constant connection. If I need a connection to launch it, I think I would have a connection later on as well.

Who has a connection to launch a game, and not one after that? Its the same deal with both games, you need a connection to run it.

Not REMOTELY the same.
Not even a little.

Someone with dial-up could log in, start their game, then log out and still play.

Not with constant connection.

Someone like me with DSL at the range limits from the CO can have issues in bad weather (buried lines get wet) and have my connection drop for a few minutes here and there. 100% totally unacceptable.

[trenken]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Anything that kills modding for the SH series is most definitely NOT good for us.

Well I just dont see things that way. Im not going to sit here and cry on a message board about something I cant control when all of these game dev's are switching over to this.

I embraced DRM over 3 years ago and its worked out just fine for me. I NEVER have a computer that does not have an internet connection 99.99% of the time. Who here is on computer that doesnt have a connection at times? I would assume you must still be on dial-up.

[THE_MASK]

If you have to be connected the whole time while playing , i am just not buying it .

[badkarma]

Originally Posted by trenken

Come on man, thats the same thing. I know the point the other guy is trying to make, the constant connection. If I need a connection to launch it, I think I would have a connection later on as well.

Who has a connection to launch a game, and not one after that? Its the same deal with both games, you need a connection to run it.

You may not have seen one of these before.
It's called a laptop.. you can move them around! No really!
You can leave them on and keep playing games after they're authenticated and you leave your network cable. I know many people that do this.
Newsflash: Not everyone in the world is you.

[bigboywooly]

Originally Posted by trenken

Come on man, thats the same thing. I know the point the other guy is trying to make, the constant connection. If I need a connection to launch it, I think I would have a connection later on as well.

Who has a connection to launch a game, and not one after that? Its the same deal with both games, you need a connection to run it.

Again all circumstances are different
I usually wait an hour for my girls to come out of school then drive them home
In that hour i can play games on my lappy
Now if I need to connect online to check disc I could do so at work and then drive away - game connected
Couldnt if need to stay connected all the time

Same for those who pay - hotels etc - connect check and then disconnect as opposed to stay connected and keep paying

Personally dont see the need to connect to net tp check eligable only on install and possibly updates - as Windows does

[trenken]

Originally Posted by tater

Not REMOTELY the same.
Not even a little.

Someone with dial-up could log in, start their game, then log out and still play.

Not with constant connection.

Someone like me with DSL at the range limits from the CO can have issues in bad weather (buried lines get wet) and have my connection drop for a few minutes here and there. 100% totally unacceptable.

Who the hell has a machine advanced enough to run a 2010 PC game with dial-up, you're grasiping at straws at this point.

I get that broadband isnt even offered in some places, but im sorry you just cant make a game these days for everyone. Most people have broadband and have an internet connection at all times, end of story. the contant connection complaint is so ridiculous to me. What is this 1996?

[jerm138]

This is like cutting off your arm to heal a broken foot.

This will not stop piracy. If anything, it's encouraging it. Like others have mentioned... a well-pirated version will be able to be played anytime without any of these hassles. Paying customers? Not so much.

I'll be saving my $60 until they see the backlash and stop the madness. Maybe by then it will be in the bargain bin.

Sad.

[Rosencrantz]

Ok,

if UBI will follow Trenken's way, then it probably should change it's name also. UBI-Microsoft could be appropriate, I think.


"There is no update availible to the product installed on your system. Buy a new version."

OR

"U-boat type IXC now availible! Price 15,99 USD for version Flak I! Optional Wintergarten upgrade for 5,95 USD! Order Now!"


-RC-

[tater]

Or I have some period to play one night. Kids are finally in bed, wife has to look at CT scans, etc online for about an hour on the other computer, then wants to hit the hot tub. I have 1 hour to play while she chews up our bandwidth. Period. I start up my game, and it downloads a huge patch. Server stinks (not atypical) and DL is slow enough, plus the odd MRI, etc, slowing things down. My hour is now 40 minutes or less. Never mind.

And that's without the mods getting killed—if it doesn't have organic (not JSGME) mod support, auto-updating is a 100% kill on modding. (since it will overwrite files replaced by JSGME, which will be in turn replaced with the pre-modded version when the mod is disabled.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by trenken

Who here is on computer that doesnt have a connection at times? I would assume you must still be on dial-up.

I don't have an internet connection at all. Do I count?

[trenken]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I don't have an internet connection at all. Do I count?

No, and that's noone's problem but yours. There will come a day when you cannot buy a game that doesnt access the internet. Sorry, thats not something ubi or any game dev is going to worry about in 2010.

I dont mean YOU by the way, obviously you're on the internet, I mean those without it. They'll be left behind, happens every generation, people unwilling to accept the new ways of things. Its happening on this very site today.