The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by trenken

No I dont, I dont care about them, but ive played a good handful of games that use DRM and it works just fine. Sure it kills the modding, but it also allows them to make expansions and charge for them, which is just fine by me. That means we may actually see some more sub sim games, instead of this very unpopular genre dying off.

Id rather get some more games than some mods to be honest. Im all for them making as much money as they can because that results in more games for us.

Wow.. you are really something.

Just to make it clear, you propose, an unstable, pretty pricey and relatively slow satellite connection as solution for the connection problems detailed in one of the posts above?

You keep mentioning that, you have played games that have a DRM like the one Ubi wants to use.. which are those exactly?

[trenken]

Originally Posted by Thomen

Wow.. you are really something.

Just to make it clear, you propose, an unstable, pretty pricey and relatively slow satellite connection as solution for the connection problems detailed in one of the posts above?

You keep mention, that you have played games that have a DRM like the one Ubi wants to use.. which are those exactly?

Guild Wars, Spore, Fallout 3 (single player only by the way), just bought MAss Effect 2 (also single player only).

Works great in all of them. A slow satellite connection make no difference with a single player only DRM game, because game data from other player is not being streamed to you, its only for stat tracking, game updates and saves.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by trenken

Guild Wars, Spore, Fallout 3 (single player only by the way), just bought MAss Effect 2 (also single player only).

Works great in all of them. A slow satellite connection make no difference with a single player only DRM game, because game data from other player is not being streamed to you, its only for stat tracking, game updates and saves.

GW is a MMO. Care to share with us how you can enable the single player mode so that you can play without outside interference.

The slow, unstable and not always avalaible satellite connection does makes a different, if you can not connect to the satellite in the first place through external influences.

Mass Effect 2 DRM:

Originally Posted by Bioware

The boxed/retail PC version of Mass Effect 2 will use only a basic disk check and it will not require online authentication.

Fallout 3 DRM:

Originally Posted by Bethesda

"We do NOT limit the number of installs. We do NOT use online authentication or any other SecuROM functionality except for a disc check when you install the game and when you launch the game"

Spore DRM:

Originally Posted by Maxis

A few things we wanted you to know:

• We authenticate your game online when you install and launch it the first time.
• We'll re-authenticate when a player uses online features, downloads new content or a patch for their game.
• The new system means you don't have to play with the disc in your computer. And if you are like me, always losing discs, this will be a huge benefit.
• You'll still be able to install and play on multiple computers.
• You can play offline.

Where exactly was the DRM that requires a constant internet connection again?

[karamazovnew]

Originally Posted by trenken

Guild Wars, Spore, Fallout 3 (single player only by the way), just bought MAss Effect 2 (also single player only).

Works great in all of them. A slow satellite connection make no difference with a single player only DRM game, because game data from other player is not being streamed to you, its only for stat tracking, game updates and saves.

Fallout 3:

"We do NOT limit the number of installs. We do NOT use online authentication or any other SecuROM functionality except for a disc check when you install the game and when you launch the game," reads a Bethesda blog post about the DRM.

"We do not install any other programs and we don't have anything that runs in the background while you're playing the game."

Mass Effect 2:

Digital Rights Management (DRM) - The boxed/retail PC version of Mass Effect 2 will use only a basic disk check and it will not require online authentication. This is the same method as Dragon Age: Origins. Digital versions will use the retailers protection system.

Spore:

A few things we wanted you to know:
We authenticate your game online when you install and launch it the first time.
We'll re-authenticate when a player uses online features, downloads new content or a patch for their game.
The new system means you don't have to play with the disc in your computer. And if you are like me, always losing discs, this will be a huge benefit.
You'll still be able to install and play on multiple computers.
You can play offline.

Guild Wars:

It's a bloody MMORPG!!!!


So really now... stop talking nonsense....


EDIT: roflamo... 10 seconds too late , You beat me Thomen.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

EDIT: roflamo... 10 seconds too late , You beat me Thomen.

[trenken]

""We do NOT limit the number of installs. We do NOT use online authentication or any other SecuROM functionality except for a disc check when you install the game and when you launch the game""

Lol @ the guy that posted this, because its when you look at the bold right there, that confirms exactly what happens when I launch FO3. If I pull that little internet cable out of my computer, I get a connection error when I try to launch the game.

Weird, right? Works just dandy as long as I keep that plugged in.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by trenken

""We do NOT limit the number of installs. We do NOT use online authentication or any other SecuROM functionality except for a disc check when you install the game and when you launch the game""

Lol @ the guy that posted this, because its when you look at the bold right there, that confirms exactly what happens when I launch FO3. If I pull that little internet cable out of my computer, I get a connection error when I try to launch the game.

Weird, right? Works just dandy as long as I keep that plugged in.

I just can not resist..

[karamazovnew]

Thomen, EPIC!

[trenken]

Have to just quote this again for that guy so he can look even worse.

"We do NOT use online authentication or any other SecuROM functionality except for a disc check when you install the game and when you launch the game"

If I try and launch FO3 right now with no internet connection, game will not run. Same deal with SH5.

[Rosencrantz]

Ok,

if UBI will follow Trenken's way, then it probably should change it's name also. UBI-Microsoft could be appropriate, I think.


"There is no update availible to the product installed on your system. Buy a new version."

OR

"U-boat type IXC now availible! Price 15,99 USD for version Flak I! Optional Wintergarten upgrade for 5,95 USD! Order Now!"


-RC-

[John W. Hamm]

Originally Posted by trenken

Guild Wars, Spore, Fallout 3 (single player only by the way), just bought MAss Effect 2 (also single player only).

Works great in all of them. A slow satellite connection make no difference with a single player only DRM game, because game data from other player is not being streamed to you, its only for stat tracking, game updates and saves.

I own and bought Fall out 3 when it first came out and I have all the add-ons and I GUARANTEE Fall Out 3 is not and was NEVER DRM in the way that they want SHV to be.

You want to bring up Spore a quote from wikipedia: "The use of DRM scheme in 2008's Spore backfired and there were considerable protest, resuming in a considerable number of users seeking a pirated version instead. This backlash against SecuROM was a significant factor in Spore becoming the most pirated game in 2008."

What color is the sky in your world?

[trenken]

Originally Posted by John W. Hamm

I own and bought Fall out 3 when it first came out and I have all the add-ons and I GUARANTEE Fall Out 3 is not and was NEVER DRM in the way that they want SHV to be.

You've played SH5? Becuase you need an internet connection to launch FO3 unless you install FOSE and launch the game through Fallout Mod Manager and it will bypass both the Steam (if you have a Steam version) and GFWL log-in.

If you've got an internet connection to launch FO3, you've got one to run SH5. That's who this game is made for, which is the majority of us.

As far as the mod issue, well go play SH3 if you want that. SH5 is for other people apparently. What can you do? Nothing. Buy it or dont.

[floundericiousWA]

Originally Posted by trenken

What can you do? Nothing. Buy it or dont.

OH GREAT AND MIGHTY DEVELOPER, PLEASE HEAR MY PITIFUL PLEAS!!!!

See, again, the screeching halt that the fan community forced on SHIII when they said they wouldn't include the "dynamic" campaign. There is such a thing as souring the people who SHOULD be your champions to the broader gaming community.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by trenken

What can you do? Nothing.

Bullcrap.

[tater]

Originally Posted by trenken

If you've got an internet connection to launch FO3, you've got one to run SH5. That's who this game is made for, which is the majority of us.

As far as the mod issue, well go play SH3 if you want that. SH5 is for other people apparently. What can you do? Nothing. Buy it or dont.

I won't play SH3, since I don't own it. I will continue to play SH4, and would even if I bought SH5 (since I won't actually play a u-boat, even if I bought SH5 to support the devs) ...

which I now won't do.

Sub sims are a niche market. Planning distribution around the twitch crowd seems to be a poor business model to me. Of course as the game heads towards twitchville content-wise, maybe it will work, it's just not for me, or the vast majority here.

Protecting content from pirates is a great idea, but this WILL be hacked, and it will increase what they mean to stop. From a purely pragmatic standpoint it's a mistake all other issues aside.