If you dont like the online DRM...

[Letum]

Originally Posted by trenken

You do own it.

So...I own it, but I have to be constantly asking for permission when I
use it and I can't use it at all when I'm away from the means to ask for
permission?

Funny kinda ownership. Sounds more like Ubi still own it to me.

[trenken]

Originally Posted by Letum

So...I own it, but I have to be constantly asking for permission when I
use it and I can't use it at all when I'm away from the means to ask for
permission?

Funny kinda ownership. Sounds more like Ubi still own it to me.

What? Have you ever played a game that uses it? Because everything you said there is false.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by trenken

What? Have you ever played a game that uses it? Because everything you said there is false.

...yes, I have.
What do you think I have said that is false?

[danlisa]

Originally Posted by trenken

What? Have you ever played a game that uses it? Because everything you said there is false.

Is there an "off-line" option?
No. The added services to the game (unlimited installs, online storage of saved games and the fact that you don’t need the game disc to play) require you to have an online connection while playing the game.

No permanent Internet connection, no play.

Is that clear enough?

[exponent8246]

I personally am not keen on DRM's and dont fancy having to go online just to play BUT i will still buy the game because it looks so promising and I love the series!
I will definately give it a chance!

There is 1 single advantage to being logged into UBI's servers and that is to instantly receive the numerous patches that will be released in the months after release because lets face it, it will NOT be finished when released anyway!!!

Buggy and BSOD will be the constant cries from the punters (if previous SH releases are anything to go by)

Bring on the Modders!!!!

[trenken]

Originally Posted by Letum

...yes, I have.
What do you think I have said that is false?

I play a game called Guild Wars, I know for a 100% fact it uses the exact same system SH5 is using.

This is the process, I turn my PC on, launch the game, log in, begin playing. Thats it. What are you talking about asking permission for ? Lol. I can also do this from any machine I installed the game on, which is limitless.

If I want to install SH5 on my work machine, I can do that, and continue work on my save file that I started at home with no hassle at all.

I simply dont believe that anyone that is complaining about DRM has actually had any experience with it. It works very well. These guys make games for a living, they wouldnt go with it if it sucked, especially when so many other people are using it now.

[karamazovnew]

Originally Posted by trenken

I play a game called Guild Wars, I know for a 100% fact it uses the exact same system SH5 is using.

Guild Wars is a FREE TO PLAY MMORPG. And a really good one too.

[trenken]

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

Guild Wars is a FREE TO PLAY MMORPG. And a really good one too.

You have to buy it, but there are no monthly fees. You think there will be fee's to play SH5? Not gonna happen. Its not even an MMO no less, so there is really no reason to keep charging you, unlike MMOs which are just a massive load on the servers.

[trenken]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Just like they didn't go with Starforce?
And Guild Wars is a MMO, internet is a material requirement. SH5 is supposed to be a mostly solo (offline) game.

It doesnt matter if its online or solo. Believe me it doesnt make a difference. Guild Wars is a solo game if you want it to be as well, and there's many single player PC games that use DRM.

Starforce was some crap that didnt exactly last very long. DRM is used by many game developers, unlike starforce.

[trenken]

I know exactly whats going to happen. It's going to come out, people will try it, and say "oh this isnt so bad". Then they'll quickly realizes it actually has some great advantages.

You need to experience a game that uses DRM to realize there's nothing wrong with it at all. But naturally people are afraid of change, even if they dont know that its actually an improvement. They get stubborn and just trash it all day, but they'll find out in March.

[badkarma]

Originally Posted by trenken

Hehe, wikipedia is your friend. It's not a wrapper. It's something that is decided before anything is done on the game because every single aspect of the game needs to know how to work with DRM. Do some research.

About the community, noone is saying its not the biggest, but it is still relatively small to all the gamers that would buy SH5. Im pretty sure they arent going to delay and rebuild aspect of this game for a handful of people here. Seriously man...

So when asked in the Q&A if the DRM would be removed at a future date if the servers were to be removed due to age, etc, their reply that "we would create a patch that would remove the need to connect" is actually a TOTAL lie?
As according to you, it cannot be removed.

Odd that UBI themselves say it can. Oh and no doubt a hacking crew will have it removed within days of release, if not before.

But it can't be removed? I believe "Do some research" is appropriate, for you.

[GoldenRivet]

All very interesting arguments.

I agree with the "i paid for it i should get to use it without having to ring up ubi" comment

but i also feel that there is a lot of needless complaining... if this is the direction Ubisoft has decided to go, there doesnt seem to be much we can do about that.

I also think that most users wont be affected by the DRM choice.

[trenken]

Originally Posted by badkarma

So when asked in the Q&A if the DRM would be removed at a future date if the servers were to be removed due to age, etc, their reply that "we would create a patch that would remove the need to connect" is actually a TOTAL lie?
As according to you, it cannot be removed.

Odd that UBI themselves say it can. Oh and no doubt a hacking crew will have it removed within days of release, if not before.

But it can't be removed? I believe "Do some research" is appropriate, for you.

Did someone say its impossible to remove it? I sure didnt, what I said was thats not a very easy thing to do.

Go on youtube and search for guild wars dev diaries. It also uses DRM, and Jeff Strain talks about how massive a project it is to construct a game around DRM. Every aspect of the game is built with DRM in mind, but it can be removed. Anything can be done, but it would take a long time. A year would not surprise me at all.

[GoldenRivet]

all i can say

with the one sub choice

with the 1943 ending

with the DRM nightmare good vs. evil debate

things are stacking up for SHV

and the image that becomes more and more clear every day is not looking great.

[trenken]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

So Ubi would pay a team of programmers for 6months/1year just to publish an offline patch when they decide to remove support for a game from their servers? And that for all their games? Please.

No you're not understanding. Again GW is a great example since it uses DRM. Arenanet is talking about stopping support for GW, but you can play the game forever, it will always use DRM, it will always access their server, they just wont be serving any updates, thats what not supporting means, it doesnt mean changing the way the game works.

They wouldnt rebuild the entire game when all their servers are doing is holding people save files and tracking stats. That's nothing. There would never be a need to do that.

DRM is also great as time goes by, it allows them to improve the look of the game over time, updating textures and whatnot. Its really cool.