Can some one confirm this DRM thing - Surely it a joke

[bigboywooly]

Originally Posted by GreyOctober

And how exactly have you reached the conclusion that the game CANT be modded? SH5 retains the same file structure of SH4 and even has a few improvements to make it MORE modable.

But is it worth modding if ubi will keep auto updating when you are connected ?
All ifs and buts at the mo

[badkarma]

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

But is it worth modding if ubi will keep auto updating when you are connected ?
All ifs and buts at the mo

The problem with modding is dependant on how they do updates.
Railworks on Steam suffers this issue that if you're in connected mode then updates are automatic and applied before you even know what's in them.
This can overwrite changes to any default files they've updated, including mod'ed ones. Extra things aren't a problem (and in RW most things are addons rather than edits to the default stock) but in SH where most changes are edits of existing files, this could be a big problem.

If updates are optional, or at least warned of, with a list of what's going to be changed then people can prepare for it - although this could be a royal pain to monitor all your changed files and maybe have to merge those changes back into the "updated" files.
If they do "no warning, auto-update", it's going to get messy.

[McBeck]

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

But is it worth modding if ubi will keep auto updating when you are connected ?
All ifs and buts at the mo

Speculation at this point. The devs have clearly stated that this game i more open to mods than any previous SH game.

Ubisoft have no obligation or interest to check ALL game files. They will most likely check files that contains copy protection to make sure they are not tampered with. Since those files are not changed by mods, I think we are in the clear about that.

In regards to patches being applied without knowledge or choice. That may be, but please consider the frequency of patches of SH.

[bigboywooly]

Originally Posted by McBeck

Speculation at this point. The devs have clearly stated that this game i more open to mods than any previous SH game.

Ubisoft have no obligation or interest to check ALL game files. They will most likely check files that contains copy protection to make sure they are not tampered with. Since those files are not changed by mods, I think we are in the clear about that.

In regards to patches being applied without knowledge or choice. That may be, but please consider the frequency of patches of SH.

Yes a certain amount of speculation there and yes we do know how slow ubi are with patches but even one patch applied without knowing can cause the loss of hundreds of hours of modding and potentially screw your installation
All that aside the worst part of modding is starting the game checking then exiting ,alter then do all over again
Add connecting to a ubi server each time you start and the process becomes even longer
There are times in construction of GWX that I started the game literally hundreds of times in the course of a day
Am sure that side of modding will be made a lot easier by having to connect to a ubi server

And as this debate has been raging for a couple of days now and the devs have been online not once have they disputed any of the speculation rife in this forum at the moment
Even a simple " patches wont be appled auto or streaming " would help

[McBeck]

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Yes a certain amount of speculation there and yes we do know how slow ubi are with patches but even one patch applied without knowing can cause the loss of hundreds of hours of modding and potentially screw your installation
All that aside the worst part of modding is starting the game checking then exiting ,alter then do all over again
Add connecting to a ubi server each time you start and the process becomes even longer
There are times in construction of GWX that I started the game literally hundreds of times in the course of a day
Am sure that side of modding will be made a lot easier by having to connect to a ubi server

And as this debate has been raging for a couple of days now and the devs have been online not once have they disputed any of the speculation rife in this forum at the moment
Even a simple " patches wont be appled auto or streaming " would help

If the game is autoupdated and if DRM are checking all files - then you are so very right. Then we are in a world of hurt!!

[tater]

You are right, we don't know all the facts. If a company elects to publish the fact they are using a new DRM, then they damn well better be explicit about EXACTLY what it will and will not do, or they will face situations like this. I'm not giving them a pass on terribly marketing, sorry. I will assume the worst until proved otherwise.

Look at the Il-2 "copyright" fiasco—even SH4/5 pay the price for this, the video I saw recently has Brewsters on the deck of a carrier in the Med. All this because they used other company names on the box of a game without attribution/rigts/etc (Grumman, etc). Had they had ANY lawyer check the box art—heck, even a decent copy editor—they'd not have had the problem. If you can't touch-type ™ or © you don't deserve to be working prepress on product art.

Assume the worst is entirely reasonable.

As I said, I'm actually fine with DRM, but not this requirement to constantly be online, that's invasive, IMO, and I won't pay money to be treated that way, sorry. It's not more complicated than that. Since I don't want to play u-boats anyway, not buying is an easy choice for me. Given the same scheme, it would be a slightly more difficult choice were this SH6 in the PTO—but my decision would be identical.

buisness 101 - when a company thinks something is good they talk their heads off about it to increase the hype and increase sales but when they fear something is bad or will not go over well they say nothing because it reduces the time people can get unhappy before it goes on sale and find out all the bad stuff they didnt know about

[GlobalExplorer]

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...6/m/3831008728

Will this system be available for every Ubisoft game?
Most upcoming Ubisoft PC games will make use of this system.

I guess that means, at least this time we'll be spared.