The last straw

danlisa · 01-27-10, 07:40 AM

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Short Version:

Dev's have passion and a genuine interest in creating a workable and realistic title.

Ubi come along and fu*k it all up.

Reece · 01-27-10, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by danlisa

+1

Short Version:

Dev's have passion and a genuine interest in creating a workable and realistic title.

Ubi come along and fu*k it all up.

What you have to realize is that the Developers are in fact UBISOFT Romania!!

danlisa · 01-27-10, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Reece

What you have to realize is that the Developers are in fact UBISOFT Romania!!

So it's messed up from source then?

tonyj · 01-27-10, 08:08 AM

hold on, lets define some terms here.

demo in my line of work is a preview/beta. I referred to it as a demo - very confusing on my part. a true demo, which we get on a cover disk should work, as you say.

we release beta's with known issues and bugs because all the business care about is the useablility, they know that problems will be fixed.

for a preview to a magazine i would say that this is the same. its not an official demo, as we would think of it, on the front of a magazine/available for download, but a version that gives them the gist of what the apps all about.

i guess my long winded point is that the preview copy is a beta, and i would imagine chock full of problems but the core game still works.

JScones · 01-28-10, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyj

hold on, lets define some terms here.

demo in my line of work is a preview/beta. I referred to it as a demo - very confusing on my part. a true demo, which we get on a cover disk should work, as you say.

we release beta's with known issues and bugs because all the business care about is the useablility, they know that problems will be fixed.

for a preview to a magazine i would say that this is the same. its not an official demo, as we would think of it, on the front of a magazine/available for download, but a version that gives them the gist of what the apps all about.

i guess my long winded point is that the preview copy is a beta, and i would imagine chock full of problems but the core game still works.

Still, I'm sure the devs didn't intentionally provide a buggy game for preview...doing so would be suicide. I mean, the aim of providing a scaled down preview copy is to showcase elements of the game that the devs know actually work. You never showcase to potential buyers software that you know is buggy, no matter how alpha it is (at alpha stage it's just incomplete functionality, ie buttons that do nothing, but still not random crashes). I've developed software under contract for over 20 years, with buyers including international Governments and large financial institutions. I would shudder to think how my contracts would have went had I demonstrated software that randomly crashed. Intentionally incomplete, yes, intentionally buggy, certainly not.

In other words, I'm thinking that it's perhaps safe to assume that they have no idea exactly how buggy their game is. With less than five weeks to go until it starts gathering dust on the shelves, that's not a good thought, as it means the iterative process of testing and correction has not been completed.

TarJak · 01-28-10, 02:18 AM

"It will get tested in production" is not a theory I like to subscribe to when developing software.

tonyj · 01-28-10, 04:41 AM

of course, ideally you want to make it as bug free as possible but judging by what the quote said, its a fact that you will get exceptions and you have to deal with them.

i'm sure that their test phase is before the release

let keep it in context here - remember its one quote stating that the game isn't finished yet and there will still be things to fix.

Reece · 01-27-10, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by danlisa

So it's messed up from source then?

Yes well most developers are an independent company who sells the rights to a publisher, however SH5 is developed "in-house", the devs work for UBI!

TDK1044 · 01-27-10, 08:28 AM

In a nutshell, I think Ubisoft has been arrogant in its attitude and unprofessional in terms of delivering an acceptable end product.

I never expected perfection. Any game will need a patch or two to fix and tweak a few things. But I don't believe this publisher ever cared about its end users.

01-27-10, 07:40 AM	#1
danlisa Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 5,499 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 1	+1 Short Version: Dev's have passion and a genuine interest in creating a workable and realistic title. Ubi come along and fu*k it all up. __________________

01-27-10, 08:08 AM	#4
tonyj Torpedoman Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: london Posts: 115 Downloads: 74 Uploads: 0	hold on, lets define some terms here. demo in my line of work is a preview/beta. I referred to it as a demo - very confusing on my part. a true demo, which we get on a cover disk should work, as you say. we release beta's with known issues and bugs because all the business care about is the useablility, they know that problems will be fixed. for a preview to a magazine i would say that this is the same. its not an official demo, as we would think of it, on the front of a magazine/available for download, but a version that gives them the gist of what the apps all about. i guess my long winded point is that the preview copy is a beta, and i would imagine chock full of problems but the core game still works.

01-28-10, 02:18 AM	#6
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	"It will get tested in production" is not a theory I like to subscribe to when developing software.

01-28-10, 04:41 AM	#7
tonyj Torpedoman Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: london Posts: 115 Downloads: 74 Uploads: 0	of course, ideally you want to make it as bug free as possible but judging by what the quote said, its a fact that you will get exceptions and you have to deal with them. i'm sure that their test phase is before the release let keep it in context here - remember its one quote stating that the game isn't finished yet and there will still be things to fix.

01-27-10, 08:28 AM	#9
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	In a nutshell, I think Ubisoft has been arrogant in its attitude and unprofessional in terms of delivering an acceptable end product. I never expected perfection. Any game will need a patch or two to fix and tweak a few things. But I don't believe this publisher ever cared about its end users.