Memo to Ubisoft - Page 2

TDK1044 · 01-22-10, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JScones

But TDK, you are failing to consider the possibility that Ubisoft may well be trying to hide something. You keep saying that a review [sic] would reduce frustration and anger. Sure, if SH5 was indeed all bunny rabbits and teddy bears like you are obviously assuming.

But let's just pretend for one second (I know you like doing this) that the dynamic shadows were broken, the dynamic campaign was merely a supercharged scripting engine or the enemy AI was the equivalent of a frog on steroids. Do you think they'd want us to know that now? And do you think knowing that would make this a happy place?

Just imagine this place had they given Neal a beta copy of SH4 to preview...

Of course, on the other hand, if they do have nothing to hide, then I fail to see the harm in giving Neal a beta copy to preview.

And that's the perplexing thing.

As always, you make valid points, Sir. I just believe that this game will be better than it's poor promotion leads us to believe.

I may be wrong. Time will tell.

JScones · 01-22-10, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

I just believe that this game will be better than it's poor promotion leads us to believe.

Man, I sooo hope you are right...seriously.

I think my 7 and 4 yr old daughters (heck, add in my 2 yr old as well) could market this thing better.

AVGWarhawk · 01-22-10, 11:00 AM

The game is going to be great and more than anyone imagined. I truly believe the threads of discontent are all for nothing.

andycaccia · 01-22-10, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JScones

Man, I sooo hope you are right...seriously.

I think my 7 and 4 yr old daughters (heck, add in my 2 yr old as well) could market this thing better.

hey, I guess somebody will buy it anyway... (2 or 3 maybe..

)

I only hope it won't be as ba as the previews.

SteamWake · 01-22-10, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

Reading through the threads of this Forum, so much could be accomplished if Ubisoft was to give Neal access to a full version of the game NOW.

While I would approve of giving Neal getting a preview copy I'm not so sure that "so much could be accomplished".

They plan to go to market in a month or two and the time to add features is past.

Furthermore I dont belive that Neal would ailenate the developers by an overly critical review.

DEZ · 01-22-10, 12:20 PM

Generally speaking the quieter the developers are about a game the worse the game is.
Operation flashpoint Dragon Rising is a great example. Nothing is said apart from a few videos which are more like movies. No demo, "selected" reviewers given the game before release day. Result i think i gave that game around an hour before it was uninstalled.
Other games are much more open, i recently watch the first 10 minutes of the new AvP game on youtube. No idea if it will be any good but it does give you a good feel to the how the game will play
At the end of the day they are never going to release a version of the game here as if it does not go down well they are losing a fair wack of expected income, its way to much risk.
I have no idea is SH5 will be any good, but no information and the flashy film like videos are a worry.

TDK1044 · 01-22-10, 12:30 PM

In my opinion, the real problem is that Sales And Marketing handles the promotion of the product.

Those guys wouldn't know an AA/AF setting if it bit them in the ass. So when they release new screenshots, sometimes things like AA and Dynamic Shadows are included and sometimes they are not. This leads some people to believe that these elements are being photoshopped into the promo shots.

I think it must be incredibly frustrating for the Devs to see this happen. That's why I believe that a review could sort out once and for all questions regarding AA,AF, Dynamic Shadows, water texture, cloud texture, sub on rails etc.

Feltan · 01-22-10, 12:35 PM

One thing for sure ... with no advance copies out there, I will wait to buy until someone reviews it!

Regards,
Feltan

FIREWALL · 01-22-10, 01:30 PM

Hopefully Ubisoft will release at least one more video showing gameplay before the game hits the store shelves.

It would definitely help preorders.

Adriatico · 01-22-10, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

In my opinion, the real problem is that Sales And Marketing handles the promotion of the product.

Those guys wouldn't know an AA/AF setting if it bit them in the ass. So when they release new screenshots, sometimes things like AA and Dynamic Shadows are included and sometimes they are not. This leads some people to believe that these elements are being photoshopped into the promo shots.

I think it must be incredibly frustrating for the Devs to see this happen. That's why I believe that a review could sort out once and for all questions regarding AA,AF, Dynamic Shadows, water texture, cloud texture, sub on rails etc.

It's not that simple TDK... It is "Iceberg" story:

You see 20% above surface (Marketing)... and 80% of SHV is below surface invisible (Devs)

I would say that Marketing is marginal in this story... as they started two months before release date... so there is obvious lack of interaction willingnes... an feed back consideration...
that lasted for 8-12 months... before marketing even stepped in this story

Marketing did not make that "periscope screen"... and marketing is not supposed to "reconsider" it after obvious community rejection...

And afterall... the relation betwen devs and marketing is certainly not that bad - that devs can't tell them "show them those d**n storm waves next weekend"

Ubi is not "kindergarden" organization... so marketing haven't created HAWX, Rainbow Six:Vegas 2 or GRAW2 "simulations"...

FIREWALL · 01-22-10, 01:48 PM

When I posted HAWX as a simulation here I was almost ran out of town on a rail.

HundertzehnGustav · 01-22-10, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant

Dear Ubisoft,

Up your bum.

I remain yours everlastingly
Mr. Sir. Kapitanleutnant Esq. (est.1984)

OH MY GOD!!!!!

Nisgeis · 01-22-10, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

Those guys wouldn't know an AA/AF setting if it bit them in the ass. So when they release new screenshots, sometimes things like AA and Dynamic Shadows are included and sometimes they are not. This leads some people to believe that these elements are being photoshopped into the promo shots.

I think it must be incredibly frustrating for the Devs to see this happen.

What is it you are saying would be frustrating exactly? To see things like AA being photoshopped into a screenshot, or to see people say it is being photoshopped in?

FIREWALL · 01-22-10, 02:05 PM

Another good thread that dissolved to sh!ts and giggles.

HundertzehnGustav · 01-22-10, 02:13 PM

Just STFU and wait til its on your HDD!

Damn! the Stuff is Frozen and in Beta! the Marketing guys are ready to let it hiot the shelves and the presses are ready to get the empty CDs.

Other games experience has shown me that the Game is ready now. Nobody will alter any more code, and nobody will get an alpha or beta build for testing.

IT IS OVER!

Now is the hole between developping and Selling in the shops. So please stop bitching and whining, for chrissakes.

01-22-10, 11:00 AM	#18
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,255 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	The game is going to be great and more than anyone imagined. I truly believe the threads of discontent are all for nothing. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

01-22-10, 01:30 PM	#24
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Hopefully Ubisoft will release at least one more video showing gameplay before the game hits the store shelves. It would definitely help preorders. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

01-22-10, 01:48 PM	#26
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	When I posted HAWX as a simulation here I was almost ran out of town on a rail. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

01-22-10, 02:05 PM	#29
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Another good thread that dissolved to sh!ts and giggles. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

01-22-10, 02:13 PM	#30
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Just STFU and wait til its on your HDD! Damn! the Stuff is Frozen and in Beta! the Marketing guys are ready to let it hiot the shelves and the presses are ready to get the empty CDs. Other games experience has shown me that the Game is ready now. Nobody will alter any more code, and nobody will get an alpha or beta build for testing. IT IS OVER! Now is the hole between developping and Selling in the shops. So please stop bitching and whining, for chrissakes. __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

01-22-10, 12:20 PM	#21
DEZ Swabbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 7 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Generally speaking the quieter the developers are about a game the worse the game is. Operation flashpoint Dragon Rising is a great example. Nothing is said apart from a few videos which are more like movies. No demo, "selected" reviewers given the game before release day. Result i think i gave that game around an hour before it was uninstalled. Other games are much more open, i recently watch the first 10 minutes of the new AvP game on youtube. No idea if it will be any good but it does give you a good feel to the how the game will play At the end of the day they are never going to release a version of the game here as if it does not go down well they are losing a fair wack of expected income, its way to much risk. I have no idea is SH5 will be any good, but no information and the flashy film like videos are a worry.

01-22-10, 12:30 PM	#22
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	In my opinion, the real problem is that Sales And Marketing handles the promotion of the product. Those guys wouldn't know an AA/AF setting if it bit them in the ass. So when they release new screenshots, sometimes things like AA and Dynamic Shadows are included and sometimes they are not. This leads some people to believe that these elements are being photoshopped into the promo shots. I think it must be incredibly frustrating for the Devs to see this happen. That's why I believe that a review could sort out once and for all questions regarding AA,AF, Dynamic Shadows, water texture, cloud texture, sub on rails etc.

01-22-10, 12:35 PM	#23
Feltan Watch Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 28 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	One thing for sure ... with no advance copies out there, I will wait to buy until someone reviews it! Regards, Feltan