Of gunsights and bible quotes - Page 3

nikimcbee · 01-21-10, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by August

OMG!

It's a wonder how we managed to still beat the nazis in spite of naming our AFV's after Roman Catholic clergy.

nikimcbee · 01-21-10, 07:54 PM

We'll make a scope just for SB. Everytime you go to pull the trigger, the scope plays a quick mpeg video quoting a random scripture.

On a side note, I didn't people took the time to read the engravings on their weapons.

Seems like a non-issue to me.

August · 01-21-10, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

We'll make a scope just for SB. Everytime you go to pull the trigger, the scope plays a quick mpeg video quoting a random scripture.

On a side note, I didn't people took the time to read the engravings on their weapons.

Seems like a non-issue to me.

Of course it's a non issue. A mountain out of a mole hill created by those looking to stir up trouble.

On the other hand, poor UnderseaLcpl has done been religionized and he didn't even know it! He ought to apply for a government disability for accute TPD (Traumatic Proselytism Disorder).

Platapus · 01-21-10, 08:32 PM

But would it be an equal molehill if the quotation was not from a christian bible but some other religious text?

Or is it only a molehole because it is a christian reference?

August · 01-21-10, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

But would it be an equal molehill if the quotation was not from a christian bible but some other religious text?

Or is it only a molehole because it is a christian reference?

We have or have had ships, planes and other stuff named after everything from Greek gods to satanic apparitions and it's never been an issue. Why are some obscure and barely noticeable verse references, ones that I understand have been "gracing" that companies products for almost 20 years, suddenly such a huge problem?

Weiss Pinguin · 01-21-10, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by August

I was agreeing with you.

Ah, my bad. The Internets strike agin'!

Totally agree with you and nik on this issue.

CaptainHaplo · 01-21-10, 11:15 PM

Skybird - the private company made a product. Part of that product was a reference to Biblical Scripture. The Government decided to buy said Product after it passed specific reviews. No changes have been made to the product after the acceptancy by the Government.

Should the government not accept the product? Perhaps. But whether it does or not, punishing the manufacturer is unfair - because they did nothing wrong. The error was on the part of the government - not the company that makes the product.

They have every right to put a reference on their product if they wish. The government has (and had) the right to refuse to accept the product. The government did not excersize that right. Why is it the private company the one you want to be penalized by being made to "provide a full refund"?

Letum · 01-21-10, 11:23 PM

You could argue that the manufacturer is guilty of a form of deception by
hiding and codifying the messages. They where clearly not meant to be
found easily.

Ducimus · 01-21-10, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Praise the lord and pass the ammunition!

(sorry, couldn't resist making at least one wisecrack)

(edit: Just FYI, I'm joking around)

Skybird · 01-22-10, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Skybird - the private company made a product. Part of that product was a reference to Biblical Scripture. The Government decided to buy said Product after it passed specific reviews. No changes have been made to the product after the acceptancy by the Government.

Should the government not accept the product? Perhaps. But whether it does or not, punishing the manufacturer is unfair - because they did nothing wrong. The error was on the part of the government - not the company that makes the product.

They have every right to put a reference on their product if they wish. The government has (and had) the right to refuse to accept the product. The government did not excersize that right. Why is it the private company the one you want to be penalized by being made to "provide a full refund"?

Like Letum already hinted at, if it would have been no bible reference, but a Quran Sura saying something about the beheading of infidels for example, this thread would see very different comments, I'm absolutely sure.

They tried to sneak in a religious agenda, and hid it to get away with it. And that should be taken queer - both of it. Some letters engraved into a scope is not the issue. The intention behind doing so - that is the issue.

Or what would some of you say if they had engraved some atheistic statement instead...? I know that some visitors in this forum would be pissed, and accept this bible reference only because they consider themselves as christian believers.

and then think about the thing itself: Christian religion understood as being representative for the teachings of Jesus - and tools of war and systematic masskilling. I mean I already have problems with priests blessing guns and bombs. Sometimes war cannot be avoided. But for Christ's sake - leave the Christ out of this human insanity. War is not what he has preached or legitimised.

P.S. I also doubt that the army has ordered "Rifle scopes model xyz with bible references engraved on them". If I would buy a spare part for my bike and find something like this, I would bring it back and confront them over it (as long as I have not bought it in a church-shop - whiczh is extremely unlikely

).

August · 01-22-10, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Like Letum already hinted at, if it would have been no bible reference, but a Quran Sura saying something about the beheading of infidels for example, this thread would see very different comments, I'm absolutely sure.

Inaccurate comparison. Those bible references are not advocating violence.

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They tried to sneak in a religious agenda, and hid it to get away with it. And that should be taken queer - both of it. Some letters engraved into a scope is not the issue. The intention behind doing so - that is the issue.

What agenda? If it was to proselytize it was a particularly bad job of it seeing as it took 20 years for anyone to notice. Haplo certainly didn't.

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Or what would some of you say if they had engraved some atheistic statement instead...? I know that some visitors in this forum would be pissed, and accept this bible reference only because they consider themselves as christian believers.

Strawman argument. Telling others what they would do with no proof at all.

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I already have problems with priests blessing guns and bombs

I don't think anyone really cares what you have problems with.

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P.S. I also doubt that the army has ordered "Rifle scopes model xyz with bible references engraved on them". If I would buy a spare part for my bike and find something like this, I would bring it back and confront them over it (as long as I have not bought it in a church-shop - whiczh is extremely unlikely

).

And they'd be right to tell you to get stuffed.

antikristuseke · 01-22-10, 11:23 AM

While I think it to be inapropriate that those sights have refrenzes to passages from the bible on them, I don't really see it as a major issue. The sights with those markings should be used up and all future ACOG's delivered to the military should not have those markings.

01-22-10, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke

While I think it to be inapropriate that those sights have refrenzes to passages from the bible on them, I don't really see it as a major issue. The sights with those markings should be used up and all future ACOG's delivered to the military should not have those markings.

Agreed.

nikimcbee · 01-24-10, 01:12 PM

On a side note, just wait until SB sees Tim Tebow play for the first time.

01-24-10, 01:58 PM

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On coins it was introduced not before 1865, and on banknotes not before 1956 it was printed, after massive lobbying by a Catholic order.

Catholic order

wrong date

01-21-10, 07:54 PM	#32
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	We'll make a scope just for SB. Everytime you go to pull the trigger, the scope plays a quick mpeg video quoting a random scripture. On a side note, I didn't people took the time to read the engravings on their weapons. Seems like a non-issue to me. __________________

01-21-10, 08:32 PM	#34
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,362 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	But would it be an equal molehill if the quotation was not from a christian bible but some other religious text? Or is it only a molehole because it is a christian reference? __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

01-21-10, 11:15 PM	#37
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Skybird - the private company made a product. Part of that product was a reference to Biblical Scripture. The Government decided to buy said Product after it passed specific reviews. No changes have been made to the product after the acceptancy by the Government. Should the government not accept the product? Perhaps. But whether it does or not, punishing the manufacturer is unfair - because they did nothing wrong. The error was on the part of the government - not the company that makes the product. They have every right to put a reference on their product if they wish. The government has (and had) the right to refuse to accept the product. The government did not excersize that right. Why is it the private company the one you want to be penalized by being made to "provide a full refund"? __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

01-21-10, 11:23 PM	#38
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	You could argue that the manufacturer is guilty of a form of deception by hiding and codifying the messages. They where clearly not meant to be found easily. __________________

01-24-10, 01:12 PM	#44
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	On a side note, just wait until SB sees Tim Tebow play for the first time. __________________

01-22-10, 11:23 AM	#42
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	While I think it to be inapropriate that those sights have refrenzes to passages from the bible on them, I don't really see it as a major issue. The sights with those markings should be used up and all future ACOG's delivered to the military should not have those markings.