Of gunsights and bible quotes

Nicolas · 01-21-10, 03:04 PM

It's kind of weird, if they want to spread the gospel, i don't know.. they should give bibles to the soldiers or something like that. Bible says you are not allowed to kill. Putting bible things into weapons...

Skybird · 01-21-10, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicolas

It's kind of weird, if they want to spread the gospel, i don't know.. they should give bibles to the soldiers or something like that.

It is neither the US army's nor the American state'S business to spread the gospel or any other belief. Nor is the state and its services and offices allowed to do favours to any religion's interest, and servicing them.

August · 01-21-10, 06:45 PM

OMG!

It's a wonder how we managed to still beat the nazis in spite of naming our AFV's after Roman Catholic clergy.

nikimcbee · 01-21-10, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by August

OMG!

It's a wonder how we managed to still beat the nazis in spite of naming our AFV's after Roman Catholic clergy.

nikimcbee · 01-21-10, 07:54 PM

We'll make a scope just for SB. Everytime you go to pull the trigger, the scope plays a quick mpeg video quoting a random scripture.

On a side note, I didn't people took the time to read the engravings on their weapons.

Seems like a non-issue to me.

August · 01-21-10, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

We'll make a scope just for SB. Everytime you go to pull the trigger, the scope plays a quick mpeg video quoting a random scripture.

On a side note, I didn't people took the time to read the engravings on their weapons.

Seems like a non-issue to me.

Of course it's a non issue. A mountain out of a mole hill created by those looking to stir up trouble.

On the other hand, poor UnderseaLcpl has done been religionized and he didn't even know it! He ought to apply for a government disability for accute TPD (Traumatic Proselytism Disorder).

Platapus · 01-21-10, 08:32 PM

But would it be an equal molehill if the quotation was not from a christian bible but some other religious text?

Or is it only a molehole because it is a christian reference?

Weiss Pinguin · 01-21-10, 06:46 PM

But Trijicon isn't part of the US Army or American government, is it? To me it seems that whether they stamp bible verses onto their products or not is their choice. I could be wrong, though.

August · 01-21-10, 06:46 PM

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But Trijicon isn't part of the US Army or American government, is it? To me it seems that whether they stamp bible verses onto their products or not is their choice. I could be wrong, though.

Somebody is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

Weiss Pinguin · 01-21-10, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Somebody is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

I was responding to Skybird's post

August · 01-21-10, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Weiss Pinguin

I was responding to Skybird's post

I was agreeing with you.

Weiss Pinguin · 01-21-10, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by August

I was agreeing with you.

Ah, my bad. The Internets strike agin'!

Totally agree with you and nik on this issue.

Skybird · 01-21-10, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Weiss Pinguin

But Trijicon isn't part of the US Army or American government, is it? To me it seems that whether they stamp bible verses onto their products or not is their choice. I could be wrong, though.

Maybe, but the army, as a body of the state and no private entity, should have refused to accept the items delivered in that state. As I said, they should sue the cokpany for compensation, contract violation, and replacement of the delivered units. It is clearly a missionary agenda being driven by a private enterprise/person into the state's business. It's the same like with changes for the pro-Creationistic curriculum for a public school, Islamic headscarfs and burkhas, the massive pressure in the air force to christianise it's members, etc.

The first amendement makes it very clear what freedom the state has to service religions and sects of it's choice: none. Else you end up like we in Germany: having secularism on paper and in the Basic Law, but in reality the state is conspirating with the church to collect and enforce obligatory church taxes from church members. That this is done on the basis of a state-given law, is a violation of the secular principle. The state should not have any business in this and the chrcuh should ask it's members all by itself to finance it - the chruch is not part of the legislation or a law-making authority. the German practice is illegal.

Nicolas · 01-21-10, 06:51 PM

Skybird

How? dollar says "In God we trust",
But i mean, if the company or the goverment itself want to spread the gospel they can do it, but i dont think writing chapters of the bible on weapons. And less if the buyer do not want those inscriptions. Anyway you can accept a #$@##@$# to Hel%$ you s$@# of $##@ on a bomb but if you see something from the bible why you wonder so much.

Skybird · 01-21-10, 07:07 PM

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Skybird

How? dollar says "In God we trust",

Not originally. On coins it was introduced not before 1865, and on banknotes not before 1956 it was printed, after massive lobbying by a Catholic order.

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August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,218 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	OMG! It's a wonder how we managed to still beat the nazis in spite of naming our AFV's after Roman Catholic clergy. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

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nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	We'll make a scope just for SB. Everytime you go to pull the trigger, the scope plays a quick mpeg video quoting a random scripture. On a side note, I didn't people took the time to read the engravings on their weapons. Seems like a non-issue to me. __________________

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,386 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	But would it be an equal molehill if the quotation was not from a christian bible but some other religious text? Or is it only a molehole because it is a christian reference? __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Weiss Pinguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Auburn, Alabama Posts: 3,333 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 0	But Trijicon isn't part of the US Army or American government, is it? To me it seems that whether they stamp bible verses onto their products or not is their choice. I could be wrong, though. __________________

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Nicolas Commander Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Uruguay Posts: 453 Downloads: 196 Uploads: 4	It's kind of weird, if they want to spread the gospel, i don't know.. they should give bibles to the soldiers or something like that. Bible says you are not allowed to kill. Putting bible things into weapons...

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Nicolas Commander Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Uruguay Posts: 453 Downloads: 196 Uploads: 4	Skybird How? dollar says "In God we trust", But i mean, if the company or the goverment itself want to spread the gospel they can do it, but i dont think writing chapters of the bible on weapons. And less if the buyer do not want those inscriptions. Anyway you can accept a #$@##@$# to Hel%$ you s$@# of $##@ on a bomb but if you see something from the bible why you wonder so much.