How much would you pay for the ultimate subsim? - Page 2

FIREWALL · 01-21-10, 03:15 AM

Since I have Flight and Racing controls that cost over $2000.00.

Pc software price is of little concern to me.

I am a Sim collector and avid player.

It is my major hobby. I don't care what it costs.

jimmie · 01-21-10, 03:31 AM

I think it's kinda meaningless to talk about the price of single copy. You gotta think the other way: to complete the project, how many programmers/artists/etc you need to feed for how long, and you know how much you need for the project. Then divide the figure by people who want.

When the project is like our truly super geeky hardcore simulation, we could probably cut entirely for promotion since the target audience is very specific from the beginning (those people are likely to know the project without massive promo). Half the budget could go for promo so eliminating it is a big plus.

The thing is, creating this complex software like SH5 isn't so simple.. Most people (unfamiliar with programming) even wouldn't have an idea about what "from scratch" would really mean.

GertFroebe_neu · 01-21-10, 03:53 AM

For a really really good sim I would pay 78 Euros. I like to support simulations and would not mind to pay a bit more for a really good one of this rare genre.

But there is no game like this in sight.

Sonarman · 01-21-10, 04:44 AM

It's not really a fair comparison with SB Pro PE as it is mostly funded by the military with the PE version being a public offshoot of the full product. I'm not sure today's navies would be interested in training their officers using a German U-Boat simulator!

Nimmo55 · 01-21-10, 06:36 AM

I for one would pay quite a lot...maybe even up to and including $250...but it would want to be the last word in U Boat simulations...not just eye candy...

nimmo55

01-21-10, 09:08 AM

Tough Question....I would happily give my house, my car, my wife and our little dashund called Colin to UBI just to have a chance to lick their shoes. So for a decent subsim, well i'd have to rob a small state just to pay for it.

Hitman · 01-21-10, 09:45 AM

So the highest bid is 200$?

Interesting, when you consider how many people will at the same time be buying a 2000$ computer to be able to play it

Ducimus · 01-21-10, 12:02 PM

Honestly.. and i mean seriously...

If i walk into the PC game section at any local store, and i see a game priced more then 60 bucks (and i mean like 55 to 58 dollars rounded up), i don't even pick up the box, and if you wait long enough, the price will drop to to about half that or less.

So im having a hard time believing that if some of ya were to walk into your local PC games section, you'd pick out the 200 dollar game nestled amongst the 58 dollars or less tittles.

Tarnsman · 01-21-10, 12:15 PM

Highest bid is $250 over intallemts/addons.

I know only one other person in my real life who is into subsiming -- and I consider that lucky since its really fun to talk tactics and proceedures and etc face to face. So I assume its a very small market. But Ubi keeps producing and distributing the Silent Hunter series so it must be a market out there. They certainly are not losing money or they would not keep it up.

With that in mind I hope SH5 builds on the previous game code, that way we hopefullly wont lose the good stuff under the hood. So Im happy if they fix the bugs improve the interface/interaction between me and my crew (which seems to be where they put most of their time ) and kick up the graphics, Im OK with that.

But if they started "from scratch" and are still using the same pricing structure, Im scared that they might have cut a bunch of corners to bring SH5 in under budget.

01-21-10, 12:22 PM

if its the ultimate subsim then i would pay whatever i had to but if i didnt have money issues i would pay whatever they wanted for it IF and only IF it was a completely finished game that was debugged first. if it came with issues then those issues would decide what im willing to pay for it.

FIREWALL · 01-21-10, 12:23 PM

Face the facts. If UBI doesn't touch the Silent Hunter series again.

In 5yrs with newer OS and hardware and software someone else will probably build the Ultimate Sub Sim.

That will make all others before it a POS.

Tarnsman · 01-21-10, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Honestly.. and i mean seriously...

If i walk into the PC game section at any local store, and i see a game priced more then 60 bucks (and i mean like 55 to 58 dollars rounded up), i don't even pick up the box, and if you wait long enough, the price will drop to to about half that or less.

So im having a hard time believing that if some of ya were to walk into your local PC games section, you'd pick out the 200 dollar game nestled amongst the 58 dollars or less tittles.

For a way cool subsim heck yeah. I am only interrested in a couple of genres of sims: racing, flight and military and only realistically oriented titles. So for me its not about price its about availability. Half Life 2 is not a "better value" because its $50 since Im just not interrested. Stuff like that I do wait for the bargain bin. I also do that with aracde military sims like COD and BF2. I sincerly hope SH5 is not in that category.

But for the good stuff, Silent Hunter3, GTR2, IL2 series, I get it as soon as funds and responsibility allows. Im not going to sacrifice something important to buy a "toy" for myself. But once everybody else is taklen care of, Im treating myself, only one or two good sims come out a year these days, so there is no need to justify it.

SteamWake · 01-21-10, 12:34 PM

Here ask these guys

http://www.defencetalk.com/new-comba...marines-15059/

Lanzfeld · 01-21-10, 12:44 PM

I sm not sure what the price of Steel Beasts Pro is right now but if they made a WW2 tank sim they could have my $200 right away. If there was a U-boat sim on the same level then they could have my $200.

Tarnsman · 01-21-10, 12:45 PM

That is what Sonalysts used to do ( or still does IDK) . They produced 688I and Subcommand -- both classics. I think they did Dangerous Waters but I never bought that. I got sucked into the eye candy of SH3 and could not go back to the 1990s era graphics of DW. I admit it -- I can be a bit shallow.

01-21-10, 03:15 AM	#16
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Since I have Flight and Racing controls that cost over $2000.00. Pc software price is of little concern to me. I am a Sim collector and avid player. It is my major hobby. I don't care what it costs. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

01-21-10, 04:44 AM	#19
Sonarman The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ayr,Scotland,UK Posts: 1,392 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	It's not really a fair comparison with SB Pro PE as it is mostly funded by the military with the PE version being a public offshoot of the full product. I'm not sure today's navies would be interested in training their officers using a German U-Boat simulator! __________________ "The action is simulated...the excitement is real!" Microprose Simulation Software.

01-21-10, 09:45 AM	#22
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	So the highest bid is 200$? Interesting, when you consider how many people will at the same time be buying a 2000$ computer to be able to play it __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

01-21-10, 12:23 PM	#26
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Face the facts. If UBI doesn't touch the Silent Hunter series again. In 5yrs with newer OS and hardware and software someone else will probably build the Ultimate Sub Sim. That will make all others before it a POS. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

01-21-10, 12:34 PM	#28
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Here ask these guys http://www.defencetalk.com/new-comba...marines-15059/ __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

01-21-10, 03:31 AM	#17
jimmie Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Japan Posts: 259 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think it's kinda meaningless to talk about the price of single copy. You gotta think the other way: to complete the project, how many programmers/artists/etc you need to feed for how long, and you know how much you need for the project. Then divide the figure by people who want. When the project is like our truly super geeky hardcore simulation, we could probably cut entirely for promotion since the target audience is very specific from the beginning (those people are likely to know the project without massive promo). Half the budget could go for promo so eliminating it is a big plus. The thing is, creating this complex software like SH5 isn't so simple.. Most people (unfamiliar with programming) even wouldn't have an idea about what "from scratch" would really mean.

01-21-10, 03:53 AM	#18
GertFroebe_neu Mate Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Hamburg Germany Posts: 53 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	For a really really good sim I would pay 78 Euros. I like to support simulations and would not mind to pay a bit more for a really good one of this rare genre. But there is no game like this in sight.

01-21-10, 06:36 AM	#20
Nimmo55 A-ganger Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 71 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	I for one would pay quite a lot...maybe even up to and including $250...but it would want to be the last word in U Boat simulations...not just eye candy... nimmo55

01-21-10, 09:08 AM	#21
Uber Gruber Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Tough Question....I would happily give my house, my car, my wife and our little dashund called Colin to UBI just to have a chance to lick their shoes. So for a decent subsim, well i'd have to rob a small state just to pay for it.

01-21-10, 12:02 PM	#23
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Honestly.. and i mean seriously... If i walk into the PC game section at any local store, and i see a game priced more then 60 bucks (and i mean like 55 to 58 dollars rounded up), i don't even pick up the box, and if you wait long enough, the price will drop to to about half that or less. So im having a hard time believing that if some of ya were to walk into your local PC games section, you'd pick out the 200 dollar game nestled amongst the 58 dollars or less tittles.

01-21-10, 12:15 PM	#24
Tarnsman Electrician's Mate Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 134 Downloads: 48 Uploads: 0	Highest bid is $250 over intallemts/addons. I know only one other person in my real life who is into subsiming -- and I consider that lucky since its really fun to talk tactics and proceedures and etc face to face. So I assume its a very small market. But Ubi keeps producing and distributing the Silent Hunter series so it must be a market out there. They certainly are not losing money or they would not keep it up. With that in mind I hope SH5 builds on the previous game code, that way we hopefullly wont lose the good stuff under the hood. So Im happy if they fix the bugs improve the interface/interaction between me and my crew (which seems to be where they put most of their time ) and kick up the graphics, Im OK with that. But if they started "from scratch" and are still using the same pricing structure, Im scared that they might have cut a bunch of corners to bring SH5 in under budget.

01-21-10, 12:22 PM	#25
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	if its the ultimate subsim then i would pay whatever i had to but if i didnt have money issues i would pay whatever they wanted for it IF and only IF it was a completely finished game that was debugged first. if it came with issues then those issues would decide what im willing to pay for it.

01-21-10, 12:44 PM	#29
Lanzfeld Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Tripoli, PA Posts: 994 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	I sm not sure what the price of Steel Beasts Pro is right now but if they made a WW2 tank sim they could have my $200 right away. If there was a U-boat sim on the same level then they could have my $200.

01-21-10, 12:45 PM	#30
Tarnsman Electrician's Mate Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 134 Downloads: 48 Uploads: 0	That is what Sonalysts used to do ( or still does IDK) . They produced 688I and Subcommand -- both classics. I think they did Dangerous Waters but I never bought that. I got sucked into the eye candy of SH3 and could not go back to the 1990s era graphics of DW. I admit it -- I can be a bit shallow.