So which way do you lean?

[Adriatico]

I don't understand how genuine member of Subsim could be - generally "Mostly negative opinion of SHV"

SHV is the only future of Subsim.com and only u-boat simulator in a years to come...
I am personally "bitching" on 2-3 points that deeply disturb me... but this is sign how much SH series means to me...

The only thing that could spoil general feeling could be "periscope screen" failed concept... but I hope it would be at least "usable"

So "no strict opinion" would be my safe ground, untill I try feeling of "being there in WW2 Atlantic"

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

Just one thing pisses me off.... The Q&A on the Ubi forum. They should've announced these "features" since September when we were still picking our jaws from the floor after the first trailer! Instead they told us to use our own toilets, ffs!

Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing. If they were going in a different direction with the franchise, and I don't have a problem with that, they should have made it clear early on. Why wait until the last minute to shock their most vocal and influential customers? Even if people find the game amazing when it comes out, there all that negative buzz for two months.

[V.C. Sniper]

No opinion until I see 100% realism.

[Carotio]

Originally Posted by Adriatico

I don't understand how genuine member of Subsim could be - generally "Mostly negative opinion of SHV"

Well, i did vote mostly negative because if we all just bow our faces into the dust and don't speak up, ubisoft will just exploit our finances even more.
Did they forget the motto: the customer is always right.

Several members desires playing other types than just the VII, and if they are not part of the original game, it feels like a slap in the face.

Personally, I can accept minor glitches like the command room not being as narrow as in real life - we're yet to see if it will be realistic - and also some minor graphic glitches, they ain't experience killers. But the missing types of the early war: This is a major error.

If a producer only wants to satisfy a minor group of customers, that's his choice of course, but I would say that an extra investment of time and money in producing a FULL game would make more potential customers pay FULL price. Releasing a half game will earn them half the income, because some won't buy it at all, and others just later at reduced price. And the latter would ultimately indicate bad sales and give them the wrong impression that we don't care. But nothing is further from the truth. We do care. Companies should make surveys to collect feedback to polish the game before release, and in this case some MAJOR features are definitely missing in this game, as it has been described as of late.

Because I really care about this game, because I want to see it succeed I speak up about the REALLY bad things so that it can be corrected in time. And that's why I find it okay to say that I'm negative. You may call it constructive criticism.

[Ducimus]

Spoke my opinion here:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...8&postcount=11

If i buy SH5 now, it will be when it hits the bargain bin and a supermod adds the missing subs and campaign years.

[Iron Budokan]

Originally Posted by simsurfer

btw, add me to this side of the fence, I dont like unfinished games.

To be fair, I think the game will be finished...as long as all you want to play are VIICs and have the war magically end in 1943.

So so opinions are related to the ppl who expresses it, You do the math with pluses and minuses but IMPPOW since UBI is not offering a FULL finished simulation despite grapical interface I have troubles in claping my hands to them at the mean time. I'm not going to rant anything or something, I'm going to wait untll the release date and after I'm going to buy it (because I'm damned subsim lover I'm going to buy this s*** anyway) after that I will let the whole world know what I'm thinking about it. However I confess the latest news aint' cheering me up, but I trust in modders as in safety-catch who will do the right thing anyway in future. So I'm floating here between yes and no so far. God bless you all!

[JScones]

IMHO were the marketing geniuses open and up front to begin with, I think things would be far different now.

Had they announced this stuff back in September, sure, people would have been angry, but Ubisoft would have had many months to woo players back to the fold through some great videos that would have undoutedly softened the blow (time heals all wounds and all).

But feeding us useless information does no more than make people sceptical, and more likely to look for the "sting" that must be hidden. When it comes, well, what do you expect?

It finally came the other day for many people. Ubisoft now has just over one month to regain the confidence of those who are now obviously even more wary and sceptical.

You think Ubisoft would have learnt from their SH4 marketing campaign.

Ubisoft marketing department =

[capthelm]

Originally Posted by Iron Budokan

To be fair, I think the game will be finished...as long as all you want to play are VIICs and have the war magically end in 1943.

uboat battle was pretty much over in 43 they are right on this though, was a last ditch no win struggle rest of the war really.

[Platapus]

I am trying to maintain neutrality and keeping an open mind. I fully intend on buying this game as soon as it comes out and giving it a fair trial.

What is making it hard for me is that the only information about SH5 being released concentrates on areas I personally don't put a high priority on (graphics) and little (none) about the areas I personally put a high priority (simulation, realism, game play mechanics).

I hope that I am getting only half the story, but fear that I am, indeed, getting everything from Ubi.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Snestorm

Sorry.
Operation Drumbeat: 5 boats.
U66 IXC
U109 IXB
U123 IXB
U125 IXC
U130 IXC

Not a VII in the lot.

not so fast

Operation Drum Beat lasted from January of 1942 until about August of that year when it was abandoned.

During that time many boats of various types were deployed to the US Coastal waters.

The 5 boats you name did not encompass the ENTIRE operation... they were simply the front line boats sent in January and February.

some of the other boats which were deployed for example were...

U-404 (VIIC)
U-333 (VIIC)
U-571 (VIIC)
U-552 (VIIC)

and numerous other VII u-boats were deployed to the area of operations outlined in Operation Drum Beat off the United States Eastern Coast

Some VII u-boat attacks took place within sight of shore!

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

not so fast

Operation Drum Beat lasted from January of 1942 until about August of that year when it was abandoned.

During that time many boats of various types were deployed to the US Coastal waters.

The 5 boats you name did not encompass the ENTIRE operation... they were simply the front line boats sent in January and February.

some of the other boats which were deployed for example were...

U-404 (VIIC)
U-333 (VIIC)
U-571 (VIIC)
U-552 (VIIC)

and numerous other VII u-boats were deployed to the area of operations outlined in Operation Drum Beat off the United States Eastern Coast

Some VII u-boat attacks took place within sight of shore!

Many Type VIIs were deployed to the US East Coast succesfuly, and one even entered the Gulf Of Mexico, but Operation Drumbeat was only the First Wave (The Surprise Element).

[GoldenRivet]

I see.

thought you were indicating that VIIs never went to America.

Its unfortunate that IX boats are not included in the initial release.

I see no reason to assume they never will be added either as a mod pack, downloadable content, or as an add on from ubisoft.

i still think that IX boats not being included is a rather silly reason to disown the franchise altogether.

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

i still think that IX boats not being included is a rather silly reason to disown the franchise altogether.

I am a confessed IXaholic.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Snestorm

I am a confessed IXaholic.

Sadly their are no meetings for your condition

I am with you on one point and against you on another Snestorm...

1. I think it was a total mistake on Ubi's part to not at least include the IX series boats. I dont understand why this decision was made... however i am but a lowly outsider.

2. I really think that SHV deserves a chance, even by the guys with raging hardons for the IX boats.