So which way do you lean?

IanC · 01-20-10, 02:05 AM

eh, you guys want a little cheese with that whine?

msalama · 01-20-10, 02:26 AM

Hmmm... as an incurable optimist all I'm saying so far is that the devs said the bugga will be more moddable than its predecessors. And if so I'll probably end up buying it _and_ a new computer to boot to see what's really customizable - and to be able to run it at all actually, since this POS current computer of mine most likely won't! S**t, if you can't play it then just tinker it to death is what I'm sayin'

JScones · 01-20-10, 03:38 AM

For the record, I'm on this side.

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MH · 01-20-10, 03:44 AM

What bothers me about sh5 is campaign till 1943 when all fun and challenge just starts.
I hoped that all new Ailed technologies would be simulated in sh5 but i see no progress was made here since sh3.

msxyz · 01-20-10, 03:57 AM

Scripted campaign + Only one type of sub available = limited replayability

Type IXs, despite less numerous, played an important role, especially early in the war. I'm very disappointed by the decision to leave them out to concentrate on type VIIs only

The sub type with the highest kill ratio per unit is IXB, and they were operative during the 'happy days' of uboot warfare .

Wreford-Brown · 01-20-10, 04:01 AM

I'm with you, Reece. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but SH5 as it currently stands seems to be an unfinished product.

01-20-10, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Wreford-Brown

I'm with you, Reece. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but SH5 as it currently stands seems to be an unfinished product.

History just keeps repeating. SH3 wasn't finished enough and was a paradise for bugs. SH4 was never finished. Time for SH5 to meet it's predecessors destiny.. You can guess it's twisted UBI's signature in creating "simulations"
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martes86 · 01-20-10, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Wreford-Brown

I'm with you, Reece. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but SH5 as it currently stands seems to be an unfinished product.

It will be unfinished if the promised features are not in, and the sim is full of bugs. Otherwise, it's a product with a design you don't like, not an unfinished product, because it seems like it's gonna be finished, just not the way you'd like it to be. And there's a big difference in that.

Adriatico · 01-20-10, 04:26 AM

1) I have no problems with 1943 ending... 44/45 Criegsmarine Atlantic effort was "pointless" survival game - with no influence on Allied control of Atlantic...
In fact 44/45 Kriegsmarine was just another problem (one more headache) to Reich... where to hide it and how to protect it from B-24, Mosquitos, P-47,...
By mid 1944 Kriegsmarine could not not defend itself, let alone Reich...

(Even when playing original Il-2 Sturmovik, as our example of great sim, my Luftwaffe campaign faded in 1943...)

2) Haveing only VIIc is just normal thing: with fully detailed "live" interior - it would be out of reality to expect the same things for TypeIX... it would take another 12 months - to create and polish that kind of project (even more complicated)

Just my opinion...

3) BAD thing would be - no dynamic shadows ??? I would kindly ask this klub not to use term "eyecandy" till we see that feature...

4) Windy sea and storm - it is out of question... it is just not displayed, I guess, because it remained at SH4 level (no progress to display)

It would be harakiri of Ubisoft to release only calm weather, marketing suicide...

MH · 01-20-10, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Adriatico

1) I have no problems with 1943 ending... 44/45 Criegsmarine Atlantic effort was "pointless" survival game - with no influence on Allied control of Atlantic...
In fact 44/45 Kriegsmarine was just another problem (one more headache) to Reich... where to hide it and how to protect it from B-24, Mosquitos, P-47,...
...

The masochist part of me wants that...
Its better just shooting hepless merchants at begining of the war

Reece · 01-20-10, 08:55 AM

Note: See update in post #1

Carotio · 01-20-10, 08:59 AM

I'm glad this thread was started as opposed to the other. I did consider to do it last evening, but hey, as long as it's done.

I'm joining this club too. EDIT: the negative club.

If they focus on early war, they cannot exclude the types II and IX, it's just not right.

AVGWarhawk · 01-20-10, 09:01 AM

Nah, its all good with what is created in SHV. I'm guessing we will be lookin at some DLC. Much fun to be had.

Don't scuttle the boat!

onelifecrisis · 01-25-10, 03:16 PM

I've seen a few people mentioning a lack of dynamic shadows, but I've seen several SH5 videos clearly showing dynamic shadows on the crew and even being cast from the ships onto the sea - something I wanted ages ago - so, what's with the complaints?

On topic: I voted no opinion, cos I've not played the game.

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01-20-10, 03:57 AM	#5
msxyz Engineer Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 218 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Scripted campaign + Only one type of sub available = limited replayability Type IXs, despite less numerous, played an important role, especially early in the war. I'm very disappointed by the decision to leave them out to concentrate on type VIIs only The sub type with the highest kill ratio per unit is IXB, and they were operative during the 'happy days' of uboot warfare . __________________ ...Sinking deeper into the cold, dark oceans of life

01-20-10, 04:01 AM	#6
Wreford-Brown Sea Lord Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In sight of Stonehenge Posts: 1,750 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 26	I'm with you, Reece. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but SH5 as it currently stands seems to be an unfinished product. __________________ All my mods are available at MediaFire: SH3 Mods Other modders SH3 mods SH4 Mods ...you can't please all of the people all of the time...

01-20-10, 04:26 AM	#9
Adriatico Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2007 Location: Periscope depth Posts: 860 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	1) I have no problems with 1943 ending... 44/45 Criegsmarine Atlantic effort was "pointless" survival game - with no influence on Allied control of Atlantic... In fact 44/45 Kriegsmarine was just another problem (one more headache) to Reich... where to hide it and how to protect it from B-24, Mosquitos, P-47,... By mid 1944 Kriegsmarine could not not defend itself, let alone Reich... (Even when playing original Il-2 Sturmovik, as our example of great sim, my Luftwaffe campaign faded in 1943...) 2) Haveing only VIIc is just normal thing: with fully detailed "live" interior - it would be out of reality to expect the same things for TypeIX... it would take another 12 months - to create and polish that kind of project (even more complicated) Just my opinion... 3) BAD thing would be - no dynamic shadows ??? I would kindly ask this klub not to use term "eyecandy" till we see that feature... 4) Windy sea and storm - it is out of question... it is just not displayed, I guess, because it remained at SH4 level (no progress to display) It would be harakiri of Ubisoft to release only calm weather, marketing suicide... __________________

01-20-10, 08:55 AM	#11
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,722 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Note: See update in post #1 __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

01-20-10, 02:05 AM	#1
IanC Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Running silent and deep Posts: 902 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	eh, you guys want a little cheese with that whine?

01-20-10, 02:26 AM	#2
msalama Samurai Navy Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: In an octopus's garden Posts: 565 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	Hmmm... as an incurable optimist all I'm saying so far is that the devs said the bugga will be more moddable than its predecessors. And if so I'll probably end up buying it _and_ a new computer to boot to see what's really customizable - and to be able to run it at all actually, since this POS current computer of mine most likely won't! S**t, if you can't play it then just tinker it to death is what I'm sayin'

01-20-10, 03:38 AM	#3
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	For the record, I'm on this side. IanC: Would you like bread for your spam?

01-20-10, 03:44 AM	#4
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	What bothers me about sh5 is campaign till 1943 when all fun and challenge just starts. I hoped that all new Ailed technologies would be simulated in sh5 but i see no progress was made here since sh3.

01-20-10, 08:59 AM	#12
Carotio Mr. Bad Wolf Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aabenraa, Denmark Posts: 1,488 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	I'm glad this thread was started as opposed to the other. I did consider to do it last evening, but hey, as long as it's done. I'm joining this club too. EDIT: the negative club. If they focus on early war, they cannot exclude the types II and IX, it's just not right. __________________ Download my mods from SHMF Follow my photography here taler dansk, speak English, spreche Deutsch, parle français, forstår svenska/norsk, comprendo castellano Last edited by Carotio; 01-20-10 at 08:37 PM.

01-20-10, 09:01 AM	#13
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,261 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Nah, its all good with what is created in SHV. I'm guessing we will be lookin at some DLC. Much fun to be had. Don't scuttle the boat! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

01-25-10, 03:16 PM	#14
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	I've seen a few people mentioning a lack of dynamic shadows, but I've seen several SH5 videos clearly showing dynamic shadows on the crew and even being cast from the ships onto the sea - something I wanted ages ago - so, what's with the complaints? On topic: I voted no opinion, cos I've not played the game.