Dems look at 'bypassing' health care vote

SteamWake · 01-18-10, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

But in any case, a political party with 60 senators is not guaranteed success at invoking cloture

No but it makes it alot easier

Platapus · 01-18-10, 07:35 PM

The "Nuclear Option" is available to both sides

CaptainHaplo · 01-18-10, 07:41 PM

The "nuclear" option is at this point trying to push this through in reconciliation - and that is one choice that could REALLY blow up in the Dem's face. In fact, that would be the likely outcome if they try. If Cokely loses tomorrow - health care reform may die - and that would be good for the country.

MothBalls · 01-18-10, 11:19 PM

I know this is a stupid idea and will never happen, but wouldn't it be nice if..... we were about to propose law that affects every American and a big chunk of our GDP, then we let the people vote and decide. If that bill went before the American people it would get shot down quicker than Cheney's hunting partner.

Platapus · 01-20-10, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MothBalls

I know this is a stupid idea and will never happen, but wouldn't it be nice if..... we were about to propose law that affects every American and a big chunk of our GDP, then we let the people vote and decide. If that bill went before the American people it would get shot down quicker than Cheney's hunting partner.

That would go against the concept of a representative government.

Look around you, do you really really want all the American citizens to decide on these important issues? Most of them can't be bothered to do any research on their own but simply parrot what some commentator tells them.

Like George Carlin said. Think about the Average American. Imagine how dumb he is... and consider that almost half the population is dumber than that.

No thank you, unless I have any expectation that the citizens of the United States can be relied to do the simplest original research, I would rather not trust the masses for important decisions.

That is why I am firmly in favour of republican forms of government instead of democratic forms. For too many Americans their idea of big-picture long-term strategic thinking is the next episode of American Idol.

01-18-10, 07:35 PM	#2
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,382 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	The "Nuclear Option" is available to both sides __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

01-18-10, 07:41 PM	#3
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	The "nuclear" option is at this point trying to push this through in reconciliation - and that is one choice that could REALLY blow up in the Dem's face. In fact, that would be the likely outcome if they try. If Cokely loses tomorrow - health care reform may die - and that would be good for the country. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

01-18-10, 11:19 PM	#4
MothBalls Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,012 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	I know this is a stupid idea and will never happen, but wouldn't it be nice if..... we were about to propose law that affects every American and a big chunk of our GDP, then we let the people vote and decide. If that bill went before the American people it would get shot down quicker than Cheney's hunting partner.