Haiti earthquake - hell on earth - Page 4

Happy Times · 01-15-10, 10:27 AM

This would be an opportunity to take out those gangs that terrorize the country, declare marshall law and shoot to kill. Would give the country a possibility to recover, otherwise it will decline even more to this apocalyptic anarchy.

SteamWake · 01-15-10, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Times

This would be an opportunity to take out those gangs that terrorize the country, declare marshall law and shoot to kill. Would give the country a possibility to recover, otherwise it will decline even more to this apocalyptic anarchy.

Well that would be a good idea but theres a couple of problems.

Leadership..... there is none.

Infrastructure.... there is none.

The only thing that could be done would be to swoop in their with thousands of troops and arms and that would not send 'the right message'.

"Anarchy"

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N14205092.htm

Happy Times · 01-15-10, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Well that would be a good idea but theres a couple of problems.

Leadership..... there is none.

Infrastructure.... there is none.

The only thing that could be done would be to swoop in their with thousands of troops and arms and that would not send 'the right message'.

"Anarchy"

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N14205092.htm

Exactly the problems that make it the only viable strategy and i think it would send just the right message.

AVGWarhawk · 01-15-10, 11:06 AM

Airport is now open. Marshall law as suggested above.

Sad we see another side of human nature in Haiti.

SteamWake · 01-15-10, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Airport is now open. Marshall law as suggested above.

Sad we see another side of human nature in Haiti.

That side of human nature has been firmly entrenched in Haiti for decades. Only now has the 'cover' been pulled off and it is on full display for all the world to see.

I really feel for the average Hatian and hold the thugocracy in the highest contempt.

But there is little I can personally do but to donate cash and pray.

01-15-10, 11:52 AM

USS Carl Vincens (en sp?) enrout with choppers, troops, and her giant desalinization plant, per TV2 Danmark.

Torvald Von Mansee · 01-15-10, 12:49 PM

Vinson!!

Oberon · 01-15-10, 12:56 PM

The Bataan and her Marine contingent are on the way as well.

01-15-10, 01:23 PM

More good, and bad, news on the shipping and logistics problems.

http://bluepulz.com/?Id=2462

One hell of a situation!

Oberon · 01-15-10, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Snestorm

More good, and bad, news on the shipping and logistics problems.

http://bluepulz.com/?Id=2462

One hell of a situation!

Yeah, you only need to look at AVGs colleagues pictures to see that it's going to be a major logistical headache to unload, but they'll do it alright, by hook or by crook.

01-15-10, 05:01 PM

Ok dumb question and probably already answered but how about air drops of aid? You know, those parachuute-thingie-boxes full of helpy goodness? Sorry, don't mean to make light of the situation. Oh yea and helicopters. Huge, big ones. For the transportation of the aid people, rescue personnel etc.

It seems like no aid has gotten to the majority of the casualties which to me seems like a pretty sorry effort from the helpers. The spreading of diseases and deaths due to lack of food and clean water are beginning to pile up and might become another huge problem any time soon.

AVGWarhawk · 01-15-10, 05:29 PM

Air drop leads a mass of people killing for the goods.

01-15-10, 05:33 PM

Yea I suppose. But right now the help effort seems to have stalled, not because of you AVGWarhawk, you're doing a great job but it's not up to you. Reading some stuff and just thinking that the aid is getting there awfully slow. It's reminiscent of the Katrina-hurricane followup - debacle.

August · 01-15-10, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Yea I suppose. But right now the help effort seems to have stalled, not because of you AVGWarhawk, you're doing a great job but it's not up to you. Reading some stuff and just thinking that the aid is getting there awfully slow. It's reminiscent of the Katrina-hurricane followup - debacle.

That's because peoples expectations were set to unreasonable levels in the presses eagerness to blame Bush for the disaster. The bottom line is it is a hugely difficult and expensive job working on that scale regardless of which party is in the white house.

Oberon · 01-15-10, 06:50 PM

It doesn't help that Haiti doesn't exactly have a world class transportation network even before the earthquake wrecked it. Getting goods to target is not easy, particularly when it has to be flown there or sailed there. The airport is quite small and there's not many of them and the ports have mostly fallen into the sea.
When the Vinson and Bataan get there, their helos will be able to help distribute equipment between points, but dropping aid at random will just result in increased looting and gang warfare which has already begun in many areas.
There's a lot of work to be done, but first the infrastructure has got to be repaired to the point of being able to be used to move things around.

A BBC Article basically highlighting what I've said...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8460787.stm

01-15-10, 10:27 AM	#46
Happy Times Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 2,950 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	This would be an opportunity to take out those gangs that terrorize the country, declare marshall law and shoot to kill. Would give the country a possibility to recover, otherwise it will decline even more to this apocalyptic anarchy. __________________

01-15-10, 11:06 AM	#49
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,305 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Airport is now open. Marshall law as suggested above. Sad we see another side of human nature in Haiti. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

01-15-10, 12:49 PM	#52
Torvald Von Mansee Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: CA4528 Posts: 1,693 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Vinson!! __________________ "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you" - Leon Trotsky

01-15-10, 05:29 PM	#57
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,305 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Air drop leads a mass of people killing for the goods. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

01-15-10, 11:52 AM	#51
Snestorm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	USS Carl Vincens (en sp?) enrout with choppers, troops, and her giant desalinization plant, per TV2 Danmark.

01-15-10, 12:56 PM	#53
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	The Bataan and her Marine contingent are on the way as well.

01-15-10, 01:23 PM	#54
Snestorm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	More good, and bad, news on the shipping and logistics problems. http://bluepulz.com/?Id=2462 One hell of a situation!

01-15-10, 05:01 PM	#56
OneToughHerring Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Ok dumb question and probably already answered but how about air drops of aid? You know, those parachuute-thingie-boxes full of helpy goodness? Sorry, don't mean to make light of the situation. Oh yea and helicopters. Huge, big ones. For the transportation of the aid people, rescue personnel etc. It seems like no aid has gotten to the majority of the casualties which to me seems like a pretty sorry effort from the helpers. The spreading of diseases and deaths due to lack of food and clean water are beginning to pile up and might become another huge problem any time soon.

01-15-10, 05:33 PM	#58
OneToughHerring Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Yea I suppose. But right now the help effort seems to have stalled, not because of you AVGWarhawk, you're doing a great job but it's not up to you. Reading some stuff and just thinking that the aid is getting there awfully slow. It's reminiscent of the Katrina-hurricane followup - debacle.

01-15-10, 06:50 PM	#60
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	It doesn't help that Haiti doesn't exactly have a world class transportation network even before the earthquake wrecked it. Getting goods to target is not easy, particularly when it has to be flown there or sailed there. The airport is quite small and there's not many of them and the ports have mostly fallen into the sea. When the Vinson and Bataan get there, their helos will be able to help distribute equipment between points, but dropping aid at random will just result in increased looting and gang warfare which has already begun in many areas. There's a lot of work to be done, but first the infrastructure has got to be repaired to the point of being able to be used to move things around. *A BBC Article basically highlighting what I've said...* http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8460787.stm