[Poll] SH5 & you - One sub or more?

MH · 01-15-10, 09:37 AM

One detailed sub instead of few scetchy ones that play almost the same...

Turbografx · 01-15-10, 10:43 AM

As you describe it, one detailed sub would suit me better. However, I know that sub would be a VII and I love me some II...

Sailor Steve · 01-15-10, 10:53 AM

Several.

I disagree with Danlisa that having only one makes it an FPS game, but I also disagree with The General that having several makes it an arcade game.

Having only one can make it a true simulator, but only if everything on the boat is accurately represented and works exactly as the real thing did, and even then a true simulator would require 'hands-on' capability, which in turn would require a real u-boat interior to walk around in, and I mean really walk around in, not pretend to with a computer screen.

On the other hand, having all boats playable allows us to simulate a believable career, with all the variables that come with being forced to put to sea in an older training boat and hoping to be given a real ocean-going submarine before we retire.

Aces Of the Deep had all four major types, and for all its limitations was much more sim than arcade game. The same was true of Silent Hunter. As with SH3 and SH4, for all the complaints made about the last one. It may have it's faults, but arcade shooter it most definitely is not. Only SH2 comes close to being an FPS, with its 'level' one had to pass to go on to the next one.

Back when SH3 was in development someone said that he didn't need the 3D view and the 3D crew - he would be happy with AOD's gameplay and SH2's graphics. I have quoted that line several times in the six years since then, and I'd be happy with SH4 if everything worked properly. SH5 looks cool, but that wish still stands.

danlisa · 01-15-10, 11:01 AM

Sorry SS but I can't justify SH5 as a Simulation if it doesn't accurately depict the U-Boat War. To do that, surely, it must include all the operational U-Boat types and theaters of operation?

Then again, that raises an interesting question! Was the SH series designed to be a U-Boat Simulation (as in vessel) or a U-Boat War Simulation? Is SH5 a departure from the latter?

Edit - Perhaps I've been spoilt by the community campaign scripting so much that I only remember the historical realism of the actual conflict rather than the control of the vessel in question.

Sailor Steve · 01-15-10, 11:07 AM

True, and put that way I do agree. I want them all, as I like imagining I'm a captain sailing the high seas. I don't want to tweak every button and pull every knob. My captain never did that. I did, and I hated it.

Alex · 01-15-10, 11:00 AM

SH being a niche game and not evolving within the same category as FSX

, maybe we'll have a chance to see some UK subs or italian subs add-on released later, but I don't think we'll ever see one featuring a single U-Boot type.
Also, do not forget that Type II, IX and XXI as well as the type VII definitely were all part of what's called the Battle of the Atlantic. For that reason I can't even imagine stock SH5 not including all of them U-Boote types.

I don't think it would be fair to script operation Paukenschlag in SH5 with the type VII as only playable unit available, forcing the player to refuel from a Milchkuh in the middle of the ocean before reaching the american east coast.

danurve · 01-15-10, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex

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Also, do not forget that Type II, IX and XXI as well as the type VII definitely were all part of what's called the Battle of the Atlantic. ..

I can't agree with that unless it's considered that the XXI helped to loose the Battle of the Atlantic. That's right, in the end all it did was consume resources to no avail. On the other hand if they scrapped the entire IX series for the XXI .. another useless debate though.

Back to the poll; had to vote for multiple subs. Even though I'd get the game if it was only a type VII. Seeing how it's the best sub to work with.

But come on, does anyone realy think the game will be limited like that?
I call BS.

Jimbuna · 01-15-10, 11:50 AM

Several, Tpes II, VII, IX, XXI.........and XXIII.

View Poll Results: SH5 - One or more playable subs? (see definition first!)
I'm fine with a single playable Sub	49	22.58%
I'd prefer several playable Subs	168	77.42%
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01-15-10, 10:53 AM	#3
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Several. I disagree with Danlisa that having only one makes it an FPS game, but I also disagree with The General that having several makes it an arcade game. Having only one can make it a true simulator, but only if everything on the boat is accurately represented and works exactly as the real thing did, and even then a true simulator would require 'hands-on' capability, which in turn would require a real u-boat interior to walk around in, and I mean really walk around in, not pretend to with a computer screen. On the other hand, having all boats playable allows us to simulate a believable career, with all the variables that come with being forced to put to sea in an older training boat and hoping to be given a real ocean-going submarine before we retire. Aces Of the Deep had all four major types, and for all its limitations was much more sim than arcade game. The same was true of Silent Hunter. As with SH3 and SH4, for all the complaints made about the last one. It may have it's faults, but arcade shooter it most definitely is not. Only SH2 comes close to being an FPS, with its 'level' one had to pass to go on to the next one. Back when SH3 was in development someone said that he didn't need the 3D view and the 3D crew - he would be happy with AOD's gameplay and SH2's graphics. I have quoted that line several times in the six years since then, and I'd be happy with SH4 if everything worked properly. SH5 looks cool, but that wish still stands. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-15-10, 11:01 AM	#4
danlisa Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 5,499 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 1	Sorry SS but I can't justify SH5 as a Simulation if it doesn't accurately depict the U-Boat War. To do that, surely, it must include all the operational U-Boat types and theaters of operation? Then again, that raises an interesting question! Was the SH series designed to be a U-Boat Simulation (as in vessel) or a U-Boat War Simulation? Is SH5 a departure from the latter? Edit - Perhaps I've been spoilt by the community campaign scripting so much that I only remember the historical realism of the actual conflict rather than the control of the vessel in question. __________________

01-15-10, 11:07 AM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	True, and put that way I do agree. I want them all, as I like imagining I'm a captain sailing the high seas. I don't want to tweak every button and pull every knob. My captain never did that. I did, and I hated it. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-15-10, 11:00 AM	#6
Alex Dominant Wolf Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,143 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	SH being a niche game and not evolving within the same category as FSX , maybe we'll have a chance to see some UK subs or italian subs add-on released later, but I don't think we'll ever see one featuring a single U-Boot type. Also, do not forget that Type II, IX and XXI as well as the type VII definitely were all part of what's called the Battle of the Atlantic. For that reason I can't even imagine stock SH5 not including all of them U-Boote types. I don't think it would be fair to script operation Paukenschlag in SH5 with the type VII as only playable unit available, forcing the player to refuel from a Milchkuh in the middle of the ocean before reaching the american east coast. __________________

01-15-10, 09:37 AM	#1
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	One detailed sub instead of few scetchy ones that play almost the same...

01-15-10, 10:43 AM	#2
Turbografx Old Stormalong Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The Gret Stet of Loosiana Posts: 232 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 0	As you describe it, one detailed sub would suit me better. However, I know that sub would be a VII and I love me some II...

01-15-10, 11:50 AM	#8
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,818 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Several, Tpes II, VII, IX, XXI.........and XXIII. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!