Getting a 'sinking' feeling about SH5

[JScones]

Originally Posted by IanC

You see, some people here think we (subsim.com members) are the be-all, end-all of submarine simulations and therefore are owed answers to questions. When the ugly truth is that subsim members make for only a tiny percentage of Silent Hunter copies sold. So who are we, really, to demand answers... it would be a nice personal gesture for sure, but I don't get my panties in a bunch if Ubi keeps hush hush while in development

If we're so inconsequential as you state (btw, I'd like to know your source on this because I think you are just guessing the percentage, which removes all credibility from your argument), then why are the devs more active here than at the "official" Ubi forums? Heck, why do they even bother with us at all if we are "nothing" as you want to imply.

Considering the devs are quite happy to cultivate our ideas, I don't see a problem in asking questions in return.

[TDK1044]

Originally Posted by JScones

If we're so inconsequential as you state (btw, I'd like to know your source on this because I think you are just guessing the percentage, which removes all credibility from your argument), then why are the devs more active here than at the "official" Ubi forums? Heck, why do they even bother with us at all if we are "nothing" as you want to imply.

Considering the devs are quite happy to cultivate our ideas, I don't see a problem in asking questions in return.

I think the Devs choose to come here on their private time for two reasons. Firstly, they respect the fact that Neal set subsim up with his own money, and that the site continues to be successful because of his input and the contributions of the members here.

Contrast that with the offical Ubisoft forum, which was set up and paid for by Ubisoft as a dumping ground for their end users in the hope that having such a site would cut down the call volume to the Ubisoft call center.

The second reason that the Devs come here is because they are genuinely interested in how the subsim community is wanting to mod the game. In addition, they choose to interact with the forum on some of the questions posed.

Whatever my opinion has been of Ubisoft as a publisher over the years, my respect for Dan, Mihai and the others is huge. These guys have gone above and beyond for the Silent Hunter Series.

Dan and Mihai should both be honorary recipients of the Best Of Subsim avatar.

[elanaiba]

I'm not really Dan, I'm just a "virtual actor" paid to behave like a smarter version of him.

[elanaiba]

Likewise, GreyOctober is another virtual actor. His role is a "silly version of Dan".

[TDK1044]

Originally Posted by elanaiba

I'm not really Dan, I'm just a "virtual actor" paid to behave like a smarter version of him.

I think of you, Mihai and GreyOctober as Athos, Porthos and Aramis, Dan. Three lunatics riding around on horses shouting "All for one. One for all. Show me the money! We've worked our asses off. Where's our money?!

Neal of course is d'Artagnan....chasing after you on a pre-owned donkey shouting "where's our game?"

[GreyOctober]

Sorry, im playing Richelieu, i dont know about the others

[Navarre]

Some German gaming sites report today, Ubisoft openly considering a version of SH5 for consoles, because the industry had changed and consoles could be the future of gaming.

[GreyOctober]

Originally Posted by Navarre

Some German gaming sites report today, Ubisoft openly considering a version of SH5 for consoles, because the industry had changed and consoles could be the future of gaming.

Link please?

[Adriatico]

Absolutely true TDK1044

But there is small problem here...

We are not going to buy and play "Dan and Mihai" DVD... but SHV, which has very specific and real issues...as title of this thread said, as well as initial post has described.


So heavy grey clouds remain above SHV simulator ...as starter of this thread emphasized.

I'm going to be very honest here. IF I buy a sim my money goes to the company that is selling it. In the case of SH5 that company is UBI. I have every right in the world to request information regarding SH5, they don't have to answer of course, but the right exists.

Now as much as I respect developers in general, and pity them, I do not give a hoot about how my request for more info might be affecting them. I dont care if my negative impressions risk lowering their morale. My beef is with UBI, not the devs.

Devs do work, devs get paid.
I consider buying a sim, I want info first.
If sim good, UBI gets money.
If sim not ready ? I'll try and influence it.

Simple as that.

UG
PS: Just say NO to fanboys.

[Adriatico]

Right UberGruber,
But in my case it is not even issue of buying and money...

I would pay straight 5 x price of DVD - just to enjoy feeling of good WW2 simulator... it simply means a lot to me... it's my passion.


( don't tell my wife... )

[Undefined]

About the periscope view im 100% sure they wont change that. And its not that bad. Hey, we got bunch of modders dont we ?

[TDK1044]

Originally Posted by Adriatico

Absolutely true TDK1044

But there is small problem here...

We are not going to buy and play "Dan and Mihai" DVD... but SHV, which has very specific and real issues...as title of this thread said, as well as initial post has described.


So heavy grey clouds remain above SHV simulator ...as starter of this thread emphasized.

Silent Hunter V will be Silent Hunter IV patched to 1.5 with some bells and whistles. First person perspective, crew interraction and better graphics. If you're looking for more than that with the stock game then don't buy it.

[Reece]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

Silent Hunter V will be Silent Hunter IV patched to 1.5 with some bells and whistles. First person perspective, crew interraction and better graphics. If you're looking for more than that with the stock game then don't buy it.

There you go threatening me again!!

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

Whatever my opinion has been of Ubisoft as a publisher over the years, my respect for Dan, Mihai and the others is huge. These guys have gone above and beyond for the Silent Hunter Series.

Dan and Mihai should both be honorary recipients of the Best Of Subsim avatar.

I agree wholeheartedly.

Originally Posted by elanaiba

I'm not really Dan, I'm just a "virtual actor" paid to behave like a smarter version of him.

Likewise, GreyOctober is another virtual actor. His role is a "silly version of Dan".

I'm glad to see you're keeping your great sense of humor through all this.

Originally Posted by TDK1044

I think of you, Mihai and GreyOctober as Athos, Porthos and Aramis, Dan. Three lunatics riding around on horses shouting "All for one. One for all. Show me the money! We've worked our asses off. Where's our money?!

Neal of course is d'Artagnan....chasing after you on a pre-owned donkey shouting "where's our game?"

So Dan is a bitter but wise man with a tragic past, whose main goal in life is to drink himself into oblivion.

Mihai is a friendly but not-to-bright giant who follows a rough crowd because he doesn't know any better, and will die because of his friend's treason.

Grey October is ambitious beyond his capabilities, dreams of becoming a simple priest but will ultimately try to take over the world, all the while wishing he could go back to his old life, and whose best friend will die cursing him.

And poor Neal, the ingenue who may well be the best ever at what he does, but is doomed to a life of mediocrity, can only rise to his full measure by throwing in with his enemies, and will die on the very day he achieves his fondest goal.

Sorry, I know you weren't being that literal, but the simile was so much fun I couldn't help myself.