Getting a 'sinking' feeling about SH5

[JU_88]

Doesnt matter what we've seen and heard so far. previews tell you very little.
Most of the people who worry are jumping to conclusions.
Better to wait utill the game is released before bothering to 'worry'.
Worrying will change nothing now anyway.

As for those people who keep posting that they have already decided they will not buy the game,
Why are they even still posting/reading the SH5 forum?
Im guessing they must be:

a) Very bored indeed.
b) A drama queen
C) A Liar.

Im all for freedom of speech and all that,
but when humans genuinely dont care about something, they tend not to go around reading and writing about it - thats all.

[Paajtor]

Originally Posted by JU_88

people who keep posting that they are "not going to buy the game"

They think by posting that, Ubi will read it.
And will worry, because player x won't buy their game.

Well, Ubi won't give a damn.
What Ubi does care about, is the expectations potential customers have of the game/sim.
And the higher these expectations are, the more likely Ubi will support the game better.

So naturally, a negative attitude works counter-productive.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Paajtor

They think by posting that, Ubi will read it.
And will worry, because player x won't buy their game.

Well, Ubi won't give a damn.
What Ubi does care about, is the expectations potential customers have of the game/sim.
And the higher these expectations are, the more likely Ubi will support the game better.

So naturally, a negative attitude works counter-productive.

Make that d)
Well, too late to make any major changes now I expect.

Originally Posted by Reece

As I have said in other threads, what really worries me big time is the fact that SH5 is built on SH4, I'm very much afraid of the bugs being transferred from one to the other, SH3 had a few bugs and most were fixed, was an excellent sim overall, the same can't be said of SH4, even now after all the mods is still shot full of bugs!! I only hope that the initial statement by the Devs "all new code" is correct!

Oh it will have bugs alright and I really dont think you'll EVER hear those words uttered by a games dev
but Id be very suprised to see the same bugs appear as SH4. So long as they fix anything major, Im sure we'll live :P

[JScones]

Originally Posted by Paajtor

Well, Ubi won't give a damn.

EXACTLY! So why all the agro from some when someone says that they don't like what they have seen? Ubisoft doesn't care, so what's the problem with people saying what they think? Why are some people so defensive of something that they haven't seen, yet so quick to attack others (usually personally) with statements like "you're a <insert emotive name here>, wait to you see it first"?

Indeed, who knows, if enough people complain about the same things, perhaps the devs--who frequent this forum--may be influenced to do something about it and improve it not just for "the whingers", but you too. And if people are being too quick to judge based on limited teasers, then at least the devs can sit back and have a laugh at our expense....or alternatively remove some of the mystery by providing preview copies to people like Neal or the like (ala SH2 and SH3).

Originally Posted by JU_88

Jscones. I dont enjoy it, im just bored of 'needless negitivity' based on a ton of assumptions.
Im merely Critizing people for Critizing a game that no ones played yet..
(if the game sucks when released - tear it apart by all means.)

But you haven't played it either, so what makes you the moral compass to criticise people?

Anyway, we're all bored mate.

What adds to the frustration are things like finding out that Settlers 7--another Ubisoft published title that is also set for release in March--has opened public registrations for beta testing; with "playing" expected to begin on 19 January.

Should we hold our breath for a similar opportunity with SH5?

[Lord Justice]

Originally Posted by Paajtor

And the higher these expectations are, the more likely Ubi will support the game better.

So naturally, a negative attitude works counter-productive.

Sirs, negative misplaced conduct so founded leaves me sir paajtor of becoming involved. If i may, these high grand nit picks are of no use hence, therefor matter not at this late development. Sirs are you sure this is the course you want to pursue? Should one not be intent of what is in the offering? controversy is inevitable, but ones tolerance should be more credible when having not even played the sim. I find all said presuptuous nit picks to be fool hardy, unwanted, disrespectful to the devs, and bad for morale within the sh5 forum. I personaly do not think it advisable to weaken the silent hunter series until iam certain (played the game) that i can establish a more than worthie necessary comment, and only then where it be my lot to post, i shall do with upmost dilligence and precision. Lets try to enjoy and look foward to it with the greatest respect it should deserve. thank you.

[JScones]

Originally Posted by JU_88

As for those people who keep posting that they have already decided they will not buy the game,
Why are they even still posting/reading the SH5 forum?
Im guessing they must be:

a) Very bored indeed.
b) A drama queen
C) A Liar.

As opposed to others that take every opportunity to call people retards, short sighted, drama queens, liars etc for not having the same view as them?

At least those with negative impressions are criticising the game, unlike you who seems to enjoy criticising the person.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by JScones

As opposed to others that take every opportunity to call people retards, short sighted, drama queen, liar etc for not having the same view as them?

At least those with negative impressions are criticising the game, unlike you who seems to enjoy criticising the person.

Jscones. I dont enjoy it, im just bored of 'needless negitivity' based on a ton of assumptions.
How does one logically criticise a game that no ones played yet?
Sure-if the game sucks when released - THEN tear it apart by all means.
But point taken, my above post was a bit harsh.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Jscones. I dont enjoy it, im just bored of 'needless negitivity' based on a ton of assumptions.
How does one logically criticise a game that no ones played yet?
Sure-if the game sucks when released - THEN tear it apart by all means.
But point taken, my above post was a bit harsh.

I agree 100%. It's just silly to watch people wring their hands and wail about how they're not going to buy the game based on two short videos of a half finished game and a few screenshots. And I too see nothing wrong with pointing that fact out.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I agree 100%. It's just silly to watch people wring their hands and wail about how they're not going to buy the game based on two short videos of a half finished game and a few screenshots. And I too see nothing wrong with pointing that fact out.

To be fair to the guy - I think that Jscones sat me in the naughty chair over the way in which I expressed my self, (rather than what i was expressing)

As for the above, I suppose you could hypothetically argue that it is equally silly to Pre-Order a game based on the same above mentioned preview material.
Except for the one undeniable fact that most of us here have played & modded the last two (good!) Ubi Romania SH games to death, so its pretty fair to 'assume' that the third one will be enjoyed equally as much (at least)

[JScones]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

It's just silly to watch people wring their hands and wail about how they're not going to buy the game based on two short videos of a half finished game and a few screenshots.

Would make for an interesting poll a month or so after release: "Of those of you who said before release that you wouldn't buy the game, have you since bought the game? [Yes/No]".

I would suspect "Yes" would win.

Originally Posted by JU_88

To be fair to the guy - I think that Jscones sat me in the naughty chair over the way in which I expressed my self, (rather than what i was expressing)

As for the above, I suppose you could hypothetically argue that it is equally silly to Pre-Order a game based on the same above mentioned preview material.
Except for the one undeniable fact that most of us here have played & modded the last two (good!) SH titles to death, so its pretty fair to 'assume' that the next one will be enjoyed equally as much (at least)

to all quoted.

Whilst I have some reservations on how finished SH5 will be upon release (not just based on what we've seen so far, but also on what we haven't seen, such as a beta preview, which one could expect at this late stage), I have no doubt that it will at least provide a foundation that allows modders to take it well beyond anything imagined...

[Shiplord]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Doesnt matter what we've seen and heard so far. previews tell you very little.
Better to wait utill the game is released before bothering to 'worry'.
Worrying will change nothing now anyway.

Did you forget SH3?
If the players had not criticized the automatic trip to the mission area showed at the E3 before the release, then we would probably still not have a dynamic campaign until today.

[JScones]

Originally Posted by Shiplord

Did you forget SH3?
If the players had not criticized the automatic trip to the mission area showed at the E3 before the release, then we would probably still not have a dynamic campaign until today.

VERY good point, and IMHO a great example to anyone who thinks that criticism is "counter-productive" and whatever 4Para has written.

Not surprisingly, the (albeit back then minority) "SH3 will be great, stop bagging it" crowd still crowed afterwards that those who criticised it were wrong all along, yet arguably it was the criticism beforehand that made SH3 what it was upon release, and not just an updated version of the mission-based SH2 that it undoubtedly would have been had everyone kept quiet, pre-ordered it and just "assumed" it would turn out OK.

I don't think I have ever thanked those who were vocal in ensuring that SH3 had a dynamic campaign. If not, then a belated thanks now for not giving in and for ensuring five years of SH3 enjoyment for me.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Shiplord

then we would probably still not have a dynamic campaign until today.

Originally Posted by JScones

VERY good point, and IMHO a great example

Ok, back then the criticism was about dynamic campaign missing, which is a BIG FEATURE.

But what is the BIG FEATURE that is currently missing in SH5 to call it a disaster?

Only a periscope screenshot?

[JScones]

Originally Posted by Méo

Ok, back then the criticism was about dynamic campaign missing, which is a BIG FEATURE.

But what is the BIG FEATURE that is currently missing in SH5 to call it a disaster?

Only a periscope screenshot?

I'm not calling SH5 a disaster. Never have. The point though is that things are much easier to change before release than after.

If you stay quiet and merely "assume the best" - you get what you're given. If you make a noise - you have a chance to influence...regardless on how big or small others see the feature...that's all subjective. Obviously a number of people have found the periscope screenshot an issue. You haven't? That's great Meo, more power to you.

Besides, dynamic campaigns weren't, unless I'm mistaken, the only thing people complained about beforehand.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by JScones

I'm not calling SH5 a disaster. Never have.

I was not necessarily talking about you, in the first post of this thread he says he's worrying a lot after seeing the periscope screenshot. Some said that they would not buy it, well they can do whatever they want but it seems to me:

Hey! it's just a screenshot (probably depending on several options) of an unfinished game, ok it's not great, but it's no disaster!

Originally Posted by JScones

Obviously a number of people have found the periscope screenshot an issue. You haven't?

I did: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...05#post1224005

BTW, I did not pre-order it, I will surely buy it but they will have to show more before I decide to pre-order.