Enigma

Schultz · 01-07-10, 08:15 AM

I have a enygma about the coding machine enygma?
I saw in Das boot that the officer used to decipher a paper with the enygma on his lap.
Can you tell me please the hall process of decoding right from the begining

DarkFish · 01-07-10, 09:52 AM

well here's a step by step guide to enigma deciphering:

1: each day the radio operator would set the enigma to the right settings for that day. Each day would need a different combination of rotors and plugs, these settings were described in a book the operator had for a certain amount of time ahead.

2: the operator would write down the received message, this message would be something like AJELA JGEHI AQJEK XYKLS etc.

3: he'd type this message in on the enigma, and write down which letters lit up. the result of the above text would then be for example: ISXTH ISXAX TESTX FRAQX

4: he'd transcribe it into 'normal' german, like replace all X with ' ', all FRAQ with '?' etc.
the final message in this case would be: Is this a test?

Nickolas · 01-07-10, 12:06 PM

you can do it yourself if you wish

check this post:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ghlight=enigma

edit:
the enigma downlaod on that post is dead.
you can get the "enigma sim" from here: http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/enigmasim.htm

Schultz · 01-07-10, 12:11 PM

The link in that topic doesn't work
L.E: The other link works. Thx

Platapus · 01-07-10, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by infernos

I have a enygma about the coding machine enygma?
I saw in Das boot that the officer used to decipher a paper with the enygma on his lap.
Can you tell me please the hall process of decoding right from the begining

A simple google search on online enigma simulators and such will tell you more than you ever wanted to know about the enigma. There are some excellent websites with animation on the enigma

Kapteeni Rantala · 01-10-10, 02:10 AM

I think that a possibility for captain to decode messages by himself would be great - U-boat skippers did that from time to time with "for eyes only" messages.

bart · 01-10-10, 06:12 AM

I'm hoping there will be something of the Enigma Machine in SHV, as it was an important part of the battle of the Atlantic.

Here's a link for Bletchley Park site. If you ever get the chance to visit I would definetly recommend it. I've been several times and it's brilliant.

http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/

Platapus · 01-10-10, 08:08 AM

If you are ever unfortunate enough to be in Washington DC, the Spy Museum has a very nice display of the enigma as well as an interactive Enigma simulator.

Sailor Steve · 01-10-10, 04:13 PM

Funny you should say that. A couple of summers ago I had a temp job emptying trash for a recruiting convention at our local convention center. One of the recruiters was the CIA, and as part of their display I was very pleasantly surprised to see a real live German Enigma machine! When I asked about it and talked about u-boats the gentleman there told me that that particular one was an army model.

Still, it was pretty cool to see.

kptn_kaiserhof · 01-11-10, 06:46 AM

it would be cool to have a working enigma on sh5

Sailor Steve · 01-11-10, 11:06 AM

But only as an option, please.

I was a radioman when I was in the navy, but I've managed to forget all the morse code I ever knew. Learning to use the Enigma machine properly would kill me.

Platapus · 01-11-10, 09:03 PM

coding and decoding with the four rotor and pegboard enigma would only be fun the first few times you did it. After that it would be a major pain or the game would simplify it to the extent they might as well take it away.

Although a slightly different topic, it might be cool to have the player be able to operate the direction finder as a way of searching for ships on their own. That could be fun.

JScones · 01-13-10, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

But only as an option, please.

I was a radioman when I was in the navy, but I've managed to forget all the morse code I ever knew. Learning to use the Enigma machine properly would kill me.

But you'd die with a smile on your face - what with the extra feeling of "immersion".

Sailor Steve · 01-13-10, 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JScones

But you'd die with a smile on your face - what with the extra feeling of "immersion".

Can I sit and wait while the morse code comes through, then sit and wait some more while my 2WO does the decoding? When he finally hands it to me and it's a double-encoded "Eyes Only" message can I give it back to him and say "You do it. I have a headache. It's okay, I trust you."?

Oh, better yet: Playing on the middle level (easy has no Enigma and hard is do-it-yourself hardcore) I hit the 'Decode' key and then sit and watch a graphic for five-to-ten minutes showing 'my' fingers hunting and pecking at the decoding keyboard. Then I finally get to read the message. Then I hit another key and hear 'my' voice announce to the whole crew that we're going to Gibraltar.

Whoopee!

JScones · 01-13-10, 05:10 AM

You've got me hooked - I want MORE!

You should be creative consultant to the devs with such ideas.

01-07-10, 08:15 AM	#1
Schultz Officer Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Bucharest - Romania Posts: 237 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	Enigma I have a enygma about the coding machine enygma? I saw in Das boot that the officer used to decipher a paper with the enygma on his lap. Can you tell me please the hall process of decoding right from the begining __________________ Old nickname: Infernos http://www.overheat.ro/

01-07-10, 09:52 AM	#2
DarkFish Sea Lord Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Stinking drunk in Eindhoven, the Netherlands Posts: 1,844 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	well here's a step by step guide to enigma deciphering: 1: each day the radio operator would set the enigma to the right settings for that day. Each day would need a different combination of rotors and plugs, these settings were described in a book the operator had for a certain amount of time ahead. 2: the operator would write down the received message, this message would be something like AJELA JGEHI AQJEK XYKLS etc. 3: he'd type this message in on the enigma, and write down which letters lit up. the result of the above text would then be for example: ISXTH ISXAX TESTX FRAQX 4: he'd transcribe it into 'normal' german, like replace all X with ' ', all FRAQ with '?' etc. the final message in this case would be: Is this a test? __________________

01-07-10, 12:11 PM	#4
Schultz Officer Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Bucharest - Romania Posts: 237 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	The link in that topic doesn't work L.E: The other link works. Thx __________________ Old nickname: Infernos http://www.overheat.ro/

01-10-10, 02:10 AM	#6
Kapteeni Rantala Mate Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Finland Posts: 54 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	I think that a possibility for captain to decode messages by himself would be great - U-boat skippers did that from time to time with "for eyes only" messages. __________________ "Kapteeni is Finnish word for Captain, while Rantala is Finnish surname, derived from Finnish word for beach, ranta."

01-10-10, 06:12 AM	#7
bart Frogman Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Posts: 293 Downloads: 245 Uploads: 0	I'm hoping there will be something of the Enigma Machine in SHV, as it was an important part of the battle of the Atlantic. Here's a link for Bletchley Park site. If you ever get the chance to visit I would definetly recommend it. I've been several times and it's brilliant. http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/ __________________ Bird Lives!

01-07-10, 12:06 PM	#3
Nickolas Torpedoman Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 112 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	you can do it yourself if you wish check this post: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ghlight=enigma edit: the enigma downlaod on that post is dead. you can get the "enigma sim" from here: http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/enigmasim.htm

01-10-10, 08:08 AM	#8
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,379 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	If you are ever unfortunate enough to be in Washington DC, the Spy Museum has a very nice display of the enigma as well as an interactive Enigma simulator. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

01-10-10, 04:13 PM	#9
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Funny you should say that. A couple of summers ago I had a temp job emptying trash for a recruiting convention at our local convention center. One of the recruiters was the CIA, and as part of their display I was very pleasantly surprised to see a real live German Enigma machine! When I asked about it and talked about u-boats the gentleman there told me that that particular one was an army model. Still, it was pretty cool to see. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-11-10, 06:46 AM	#10
kptn_kaiserhof XO Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 418 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	it would be cool to have a working enigma on sh5

01-11-10, 11:06 AM	#11
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	But only as an option, please. I was a radioman when I was in the navy, but I've managed to forget all the morse code I ever knew. Learning to use the Enigma machine properly would kill me. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-11-10, 09:03 PM	#12
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,379 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	coding and decoding with the four rotor and pegboard enigma would only be fun the first few times you did it. After that it would be a major pain or the game would simplify it to the extent they might as well take it away. Although a slightly different topic, it might be cool to have the player be able to operate the direction finder as a way of searching for ships on their own. That could be fun. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

01-13-10, 05:10 AM	#15
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	You've got me hooked - I want MORE! You should be creative consultant to the devs with such ideas.