Iraq spokesman: Ex-Blackwater employees not wanted in Iraq

[Skybird]

We have been there, Lance. What you say is not something new, it is old-fashioned classical economy theory, that's how it is called over here, "klassische Wirtschafts-Theorie". It is part of history courses in any economical studying at university - with the accent on "history". And not only do I think this theory is wrong, but it has been demonstrated to be wrong and dysfunctional since decades, causing plenty of havocs where it was brought to life, and creating welath for the few at the cost of the many facing the dirty side of it. Many of the goals you aim at I find not desirable at all, and the way you want to acchieve them I find unrealistic, and I see myself being confirmed by realities in that assessement. You always criticise the evil political caste and the state, but you are totally ignoring that this political caste especially in the Anglosaxon world, namely America, is that way you label it due to massive influence by that economical system having had many of the freedoms your demand for it. The policies you complain about - are to quite some degree the exact result of the theory you defend. Nevertheless you see no reason to question the economic side of things. And when you imply, in the above, that business that makes it's income with the business of war, nevertheless has an interest in peace and when you totally ignore how business influences political decisions and that the war 2003 last but not least was launched massively by lobbying of major parts of the economic system in the US and close relations between a dumb president and his business buddies to whom he owed (going much beyond Haliburton and Carlyle Group) and you seriously assume that the policy-making remains unimpressed by huge mercenary-companies and this thing that is called the industrial-military complex (Eisenhower) that is a major pillar of the american economy and has never been driven back since WWII, in fact seems to increase - well, then i am simply so stunned that I cannot imagine any argument any more that would have use here. Because in my perception you are too much, too totally off the reality that I live in.

If positions are too far apart, discussion not only makes no sense, but is not even possible. Your description of the sky does not match the colours and clouds that I see when looking up there. We have had long, good and friendly talks in the past, and we certainly can speak again on profane things or do some chess etc etc, but another debate on these things will only see you having a monologue i cannot connect to, and me wondering how two so extremely different planets can exist in just one place. Not to mention that it would be repetitive and very time-consuming.

Again, no offence meant, but we could not be any more apart on many things. That's why I have stopped replying to your posts.

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Well yes, they do create jobs. Every mercenary serving overseas has a job that was provided by companies like these, as do their support staff. I hope Iraqi morticians are not relying on them for business, though, or they'll be having a pretty lean profit margin.

Well there have been quite a few cases that have caused quite a few ripples in Iraq. As is exemplified in my OP.

It's also good to notice that there are no two similar wars. Every war is pretty much 'improvised' as it goes on. They say wars create a lot of innovations. Unfortunately wars also create a lot of dead bodies and the merc companies have engaged in this activity far too much. The Iraqis might have more reasons to dislike the mercs then they publicly say and I don't really want to speculate on that but there are probably other cases of civilian casualties or they wouldn't be so adamant about it.

Well, first of all, 462 is not that high of a number considering the length of the occupation and the number of attacks, especially compared to the number of military casualties, which are in the tens of thousands already, and insurgent and civilian casualties, which are incalculable but very much higher. It may also be tempting to link KBR truck drivers and the like in with combat casualties suffered by armed PMCs but doing so does not give us a clear picture of the situation. Every single day there are lightly-guarded miles-long convoys of unarmored semi-trucks and other civilian transport vehicles driven by contractors in broad daylight or with headlights on at night, driving all over the country but particularly in Al-Anbar and around Baghdad.. What is really amazing is that their casualties are so low, and those casualty rates say volumes about the performance of suppression measures and the ineptitude of the insurgents.

I watched the video, and I wonder how you or anyone else arrived at the conclusion that the Iraqi vehicles in the video were being shot at "for fun".
In every single clip shown there was a vehicle approaching quickly from the rear - a favored tactic of suicide vehicle bombers in the first years of the occupation, and one that remains in some areas. Watch the clip carefully. It may seem like the camera vehicle is using an unusually large number of bullets, but that's because they are trying not to kill the driver. The first shots are warning shots. As the vehicle gets closer they fire at the tires, then at the grill, and finally at the windshield. Most of those clips showed legitimate procedure for engaging potential vehicle-borne threats and all of them were within acceptable parameters.

Tragically, both mercenaries and regular US forces kill a large number of innocent Iraqis in this manner. Most of the Iraqis in the AO I served in (Camp Fallujah, Al-Anbar province and subsidiary OPs) knew that when you see an American convoy, military or contractor, you pull the hell over and don't do anything stupid. Some, however, either just don't get it or aren't paying attention or are visitors to the country. The really dumb ones will actually try to pass the convoy, and the one thing you do not ever, ever want to do in Iraq is accelrate towards a convoy, checkpoint, ro*******, or guard station in a civilian vehicle. You will be dead, wounded, or severely shaken in no time flat.

Now that the Americans including the mercs have reduced the street patrols the war is to a large extent over for them. I wouldn't say 462 is a small amount for basically people who are outside the military. Not sure if the Blackwaters etc. have hired Iraqis too and if their casualties are counted into those figures. The real big figure is the Iraqi casualties, both military and civilian, unfortunately.

I wonder how the Americans informed the Iraqis about these rules concerning how to behave behind and around convoys. How about when meeting a convoy head on? Drive off the road? I think it's foolishly optimistic at best to think that people who still use camels for transportation etc. would be really quick to pick up special driving methods in a crisis situation.

And the American mercenaries think it's ok to blast the civilians who...well, they just feel like shooting at. Because that's about as restrained as that looked to me. But then again different militaries have different mindsets and philosophies of doing things, maybe that's the problem here.

And I wholeheartedly agree. You should hear some of the things they tell those poor fools to get them to join up. Ask anyone in the service if they got what they were promised. A few will answer in the affirmative, the rest will tell you stories with the general purpose of explaining how their recruiter screwed them and how badly. I am one of those. I endured a lot of rigorous and difficult testing in an effort to become a cryptologic linguist, that is, a cryptologist who deciphers codes in foreign language. After passing my exams I was informed that there were no slots available. "Too bad, pick another MOS". So then I wanted to be a tanker. I figured if I couldn't get in as a technical specialist in a field I had great aptitude for then I might as well do something cool, like driving a tank. Again, I was refused because no slots were open, despite the apparently grave need for personnel in all fields. I finally decided to become a reservist because I didn't think I could endure 4 years of doing whatever garbage jobs were needed and was finally granted a position as a Field Radio Operator. I'm a communicator by nature, so the idea appealed to me, but I was sorely disappointed by what I experienced afterwards. For one thing, I was not given my original enlistment bonus; something I learned after I was sworn in and had completed recruit training. I was also denied immediate promotion to E-3 despite recommending two other poor SOBs who subsequently enlisted, and despiute being the company standard-bearer (which involves the dubious honor of carrying a big flag on a heavy pole in all marches and runs) and despite being what essentially amounted to the administrative recruit co-ordinator.

Maybe they thought that'd you're too much of a 'rambo' to waste away in a cushy linguist position.

Nonetheless, I pursued my occupational specialty with fervor and determination. I went to great lengths to learn about the nuances of radio and wire communications and delved into antannae theory and waveform propogation with singular force of will. In less than two years I was regarded as the preeminent radio operator in 14th Marines HQ Battery. Communications officers with a lifetime of experience sought my aid, and everyone in the comm field sought my advice and training. When the Iraq War came I was eager to prove my worth in an actual theater of operations. I volunteered three freaking times before I was finally granted a chance to deploy and they made me a goddamn truck driver.

Even then, I was undeterred. I strove to be the best freaking truck driver ever and I worked constantly to improve the performance of the Marines placed under me, as well as my own. One of the few things I consider as a real accomplishment in my life is that no truck under my command was ever hit, and no personnel in them were ever injured. Some of my drivers were wounded in convoys commanded by others, and some of the trucks in my care were destroyed, but not while I was leading them. Nobody under my command dies without me dying first! I will not allow it!

Hmm.. I seem to have gone off on quite a tangent there. I'm tempted to delete it, but I won't, since it feels good to type it.

Moving on.....

Oh radios and trucks then? Well the truck driving was a dangerous aspect of the war, maybe the most dangerous aspect of the war. Maybe they had a shortage of volunteers in that department, would seem logical. And then they forced you to do that. Pretty irresponsible of them. But those officers, they rarely ponder on the moralities of things, they just luurve giving those unpleasent orders.

I don't entirely agree but I agree enough that it is not worth all the typing to expose and debate minor differences of opinion.

What I will say is that my philosophy is that the US should not be involved in any wars at all. If we weren't so damn interventionist we wouldn't have three-quarters of the rest of the world hating us and the remaining quarter intent on our destruction. Trade with all nations, alliances with none, don't get involved in foreign wars, all that crap. The world would be better off without us trying to fix everything all the time.

None of that precludes the use of mercenary forces, however. The world still needs help from time to time, and mercenaries are the perfect agencies to project American military force where it is needed without the political agenda and related nonsensical horse-crap that usually accompanies it. If a nation wants a military solution to a problem it can simply hire an American mercenary firm (or one of any other nationality) and that is that. Mercenaries will accomplish the task in the most efficient and public-friendly means possible, because that is what they do. We have already seen the drastic measures Blackwater has taken to avoid negative PR, including changing its own name and radicaly revamping its organization in a matter of months. It has to do such things or else it risks losing credibility, and credibility means a lot to consumers, whether they are individuals or nations. Nations themselves are not so subject to such concerns. Right or wrong, they are developed and seriously entrenched power structures with the life-earnings and lives of millions at their disposal.

Well it seems like you really like Blackwater/XE, Triple Canopy, Aegis, etc. Maybe you should join them instead of the US military who clearly don't appreciate your talents. I think the salary they pay is better too.

Well I can't blame you for not understanding. Finland is Finland, and it is full of Finns. It is not a culturally diverse super-state whose whims can seriously affect the entire world both economically and politically. Whether or not Finnish labor unions are superior to US labor unions I cannot say, never having been there myself and without really understanding the culture. A quick glance at the finances of the Finnish government s per the CIA world factbook tells me that your nation is in debt and does not posess the economy to make your lifestyle sustainable. Your nation, as well as many others, has fallen prey to the belief that more unsustainable spending today will result in a sustainable future. Most of that belief is based upon hedged bets upon the US economy in the form of foregin investiture and monetary policy. Believe it or not, if the US suffers, your nation will suffer. We literally hold the weight of the world's economy on our shoulders and we are rapidly losing our strength because of unwise fiscal policy. Mark my words, there will come a day when US fiscal policy will really destroy the consumer base of the world's most prosperous and populous free nation and the resultant gap in demand will be felt all over the world, even moreso than the current recession.

You know, I have to say, I'd almost accepted your defending and tender lovin' caressing of the mercenary companies but lately I've read a little economics and I will no longer blindly, mutely and deafly (?) accept the notion that the whole worlds happiness, economic status and entire existance hinges on whether or not the "consumer base" of US is consuming well or doing this or that. In plain English, ******* the US consumer base, ******* it with a pitchfork!

A little grain of salt from the OTH book of economics.

I would, however, love to visit Finland sometime, as well as the rest of Scandanavia.

Oh, ok. Welcome. Right now it's a bit cold (-21 deg Celsius). Not sure what that is in Fahrenheit.

[CaptainHaplo]

It's also good to notice that there are no two similar wars. Every war is pretty much 'improvised' as it goes on. They say wars create a lot of innovations. Unfortunately wars also create a lot of dead bodies and the merc companies have engaged in this activity far too much.

War does create a lot of dead bodies. No doubt about it. But where do you get that "merc companies" are the cause of it? First of all, despotic dictators create a lot of dead bodies when they gas their own citizenry, or kill political prisoners, or just condone the raping and killing of women by the secret police "just because". So let's not act like there was not a rather large body count, ever increasing, before the "war in Iraq". Also, your inferring that somehow the war in Iraq is responsible for all the death. Who is it that is killing the vast majority of the Iraqi civilians, and law enforcement / army personnel? Could it be the extremists who want to take over and rule? Oh, but that little tidbit of fact doesn't fit well the "blame Blackwater, America and the mercenaries" does it, so you left it out.

The Iraqis might have more reasons to dislike the mercs then they publicly say and I don't really want to speculate on that but there are probably other cases of civilian casualties or they wouldn't be so adamant about it.

If you don't want to speculate - then don't speculate. What you just did was say you didn't want to do something, and then you did it anyway, as if you had some knowledge that you "can't" or "won't" share.... In other words, your trying to create the image of something without there being any facts to back it up. If you have fairly numerous instances where mercenaries were the cause of unprovoked and innocent civilian death, put forth the info so it can be evaluated fairly.

Your hypothosis of "there must be more or else they wouldn't press this so much" is flawed because there is a much more rational and obvious reason why this is a big matter to the Iraqi government. One huge claim the insurgents make is that the existent Iraqi government is simply a pawn and extension of the US government. If they were able to hold up American citizens that were punished for something that the common Iraqi person thinks was wrong (regardless of whether they had reason or not for their actions) - then the claim of the Iraqi government being a pawn is severely weakened. No "pawn" can force its master to sacrifice its own citizenry.

I think it's foolishly optimistic at best to think that people who still use camels for transportation etc. would be really quick to pick up special driving methods in a crisis situation.

Ok, so in one sentence you demean the average Iraqi as being so simple that they use camels for transportation, and so dense they can't understand - on pain of possible (and likely) death - not to act like a suicide bomber when approaching an armed column. This alone tells me you have never been in the region for any length of time, or had much dealings with Iraqi nationals. Just because they live in a country that the "first world" deems arse backward does not mean they are stupid. Far from it. They may be a "simple" people compared to first world nations, but they are far from intellectually void. In fact, the average civilian has a very good level of common sense that lends itself to preservation - of person, family and tribe. These are a people that have survived brutal dictatorship, extremely violent wars with their neighbors, and now move forward while a foe that hides within their own populace lashes out and kills them. You so severely underestimate and stereotype them its unbelievable.

And the American mercenaries think it's ok to blast the civilians who...well, they just feel like shooting at. Because that's about as restrained as that looked to me.

Oh - you were there? You have already convicted these people without a trial, based purely on your own biases against them, their nationality, and your views on their activities. Not to mention apparently you have become a psychoanalyst capable of mind reading across both time and space - because you have deduced without a doubt (in your own mind at least) why they did it.

You were not there, so you don't know the whole and true story. Yet you want to condemn these people based on what you THINK happened, based of whatever media reports you can find that lays the blame all on Americans. It is this kind of thing that makes your biases blatently clear.

But those officers, they rarely ponder on the moralities of things, they just luurve giving those unpleasent orders.

Apparently we aren't done with your expertise are we? Officers in the US military just "luurve" to give unpleasant orders? And where does this expertise come from? Or is it once again just another way to simply find ways to slam the American military? Thats a rhetorical question, by the way. I can tell you this, I don't know of many men, be they warrants, officers or enlisted, who had to give orders or make decisions that took lives that did so lightly. In fact, I don't know a single one. Those that have no moral compass are (or were I should say) weeded out before ever entering into a conflict theatre. I have no reason to think that has changed.

You can continue with your despising America, but don't be suprised when folks like me - who still have a moral compass and don't hate others blindly - point out the flaws in your hate mongering.

Have a nice day

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

War does create a lot of dead bodies. No doubt about it. But where do you get that "merc companies" are the cause of it? First of all, despotic dictators create a lot of dead bodies when they gas their own citizenry, or kill political prisoners, or just condone the raping and killing of women by the secret police "just because". So let's not act like there was not a rather large body count, ever increasing, before the "war in Iraq". Also, your inferring that somehow the war in Iraq is responsible for all the death. Who is it that is killing the vast majority of the Iraqi civilians, and law enforcement / army personnel? Could it be the extremists who want to take over and rule? Oh, but that little tidbit of fact doesn't fit well the "blame Blackwater, America and the mercenaries" does it, so you left it out.

Imagine a world with really powerful merc companies. I mean, merc companies with their own navy with all the trimmings. And huge tank armies. It could happen today. And all one had to do was walk up to one of those companies with a big enough check that doesn't bounce and you'd have yourself a military at your disposal. A lot of people with checks that don't bounce in the Middle East if you catch my drift.

If the US wants to give birth to these merc companies they'd better be sure they know what they are doing.

So what you're saying is that it's ok to engage in offensive warfare against any nation of your choosing? It would be ok for Finland to attack, say, Estonia and then blame the Estonians for the war?

If you don't want to speculate - then don't speculate. What you just did was say you didn't want to do something, and then you did it anyway, as if you had some knowledge that you "can't" or "won't" share.... In other words, your trying to create the image of something without there being any facts to back it up. If you have fairly numerous instances where mercenaries were the cause of unprovoked and innocent civilian death, put forth the info so it can be evaluated fairly.

Freedom of speech buddy. I can tell you don't really like it. And it's not like I'm even engaging in any racist hate speech as is common here in SS Radioroom.

The merc companies are operating more and more in the States as well, only a matter of time before they engage in some civilian shooting there as well, or maybe that's already happened. You reap what you sow.

Your hypothosis of "there must be more or else they wouldn't press this so much" is flawed because there is a much more rational and obvious reason why this is a big matter to the Iraqi government. One huge claim the insurgents make is that the existent Iraqi government is simply a pawn and extension of the US government. If they were able to hold up American citizens that were punished for something that the common Iraqi person thinks was wrong (regardless of whether they had reason or not for their actions) - then the claim of the Iraqi government being a pawn is severely weakened. No "pawn" can force its master to sacrifice its own citizenry.

That really bothers you doesn't it? Ok I tell you what, when I find some free time I'll look into the matter. Also because I'm interested in the subject. I'll get you (and Lance) some info with a source.

I don't think the Americans really put that much value on their own soldiers. They are expendable so it doesn't take much wrangling from the Iraq puppet government to get US troops.

Ok, so in one sentence you demean the average Iraqi as being so simple that they use camels for transportation, and so dense they can't understand - on pain of possible (and likely) death - not to act like a suicide bomber when approaching an armed column. This alone tells me you have never been in the region for any length of time, or had much dealings with Iraqi nationals. Just because they live in a country that the "first world" deems arse backward does not mean they are stupid. Far from it. They may be a "simple" people compared to first world nations, but they are far from intellectually void. In fact, the average civilian has a very good level of common sense that lends itself to preservation - of person, family and tribe. These are a people that have survived brutal dictatorship, extremely violent wars with their neighbors, and now move forward while a foe that hides within their own populace lashes out and kills them. You so severely underestimate and stereotype them its unbelievable.

I didn't say the Iraqis are stupid, they are very wise people. Unfortunately no amount (and I guess in this case there hasn't even been much) preparation can truly prepare an entire nation for the full scale occupation by not just by a regular military that adheres to the rules of war (something the US military doesn't do) but by several merc companies with their own set of rules. As exactly why the Iraqis hate the mercs I'm sure we'll find out more later on, they are however entitled to their opinion and will enforce the ban mentioned in the link in the OP.

Oh - you were there? You have already convicted these people without a trial, based purely on your own biases against them, their nationality, and your views on their activities. Not to mention apparently you have become a psychoanalyst capable of mind reading across both time and space - because you have deduced without a doubt (in your own mind at least) why they did it.

You were not there, so you don't know the whole and true story. Yet you want to condemn these people based on what you THINK happened, based of whatever media reports you can find that lays the blame all on Americans. It is this kind of thing that makes your biases blatently clear.

The mercs mentioned in the link in OP will most likely go to retrial with a more resounding result then before. We'll see what happens. In any case it doesn't strike me that the relationship between the Iraq puppet government and it's 'creator and master' the US is particularily warm at the moment. Doesn't look like a successful ending to a war no matter how you look at it.

Apparently we aren't done with your expertise are we? Officers in the US military just "luurve" to give unpleasant orders? And where does this expertise come from? Or is it once again just another way to simply find ways to slam the American military? Thats a rhetorical question, by the way. I can tell you this, I don't know of many men, be they warrants, officers or enlisted, who had to give orders or make decisions that took lives that did so lightly. In fact, I don't know a single one. Those that have no moral compass are (or were I should say) weeded out before ever entering into a conflict theatre. I have no reason to think that has changed.

You can continue with your despising America, but don't be suprised when folks like me - who still have a moral compass and don't hate others blindly - point out the flaws in your hate mongering.

Have a nice day

I wonder if the guys who are actually ordered to the potentially life threatening tasks by the officers agree with you on that or are you just like, taking the officers words on that. Cause you know, that would be kinda, one sided and all. Which I'm sure you understand when you think about it for awhile.

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

So what you're saying is that it's ok to engage in offensive warfare against any nation of your choosing? It would be ok for Finland to attack, say, Estonia and then blame the Estonians for the war?

That would only be acceptable if it resulted in the formation of Fistonia and the punching in the face of the rest of the world.

[Morts]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

And it's not like I'm even engaging in any racist hate speech as is common here in SS Radioroom.

O Rly ?

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

I don't care what you are. Tell you what, when you get to the border I'll load up the machine that Dowly will use to shoot you with, you dirty foreigner. We've already had Steen Christensen from your contry, we don't need another.

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

I think shooting Englishmen is "upholding common sense and dignity". What do you think about that?

Originally Posted by Morts

O Rly ?

Yes, really. It's true about Steen Christensen, Mr Off Topic.

Edit. For who don't know, Steen Christensen is a Danish guy who came to Finland, robbed a hotel for some loose change and then shot two cops. He is serving his sentence in Denmark.

[MothBalls]

Originally Posted by Snestorm

@UnderseaLcpl

You've spent quite a-bit of time on a very well written post.

The only statement you've made that is debatable is:
"Haliburton and companies like it will eventualy merge themselves with the state".

Who reports to whom?



Haliburton, KBR, Blackwater, etc. Mixed feelings on that. One one hand there will always be war, therefore; there will always be the requirement for contracted services. I don't think a company is evil because they target those services.

Did Blackwater cross the line? Who knows, I wasn't there. I can tell you in any combat or life threatening situation that everyone who was there, saw and heard a different version of the same events. When there is gunfire or panic, things look a lot different depending on your perspective. (When you're being shot at, everyone is an enemy.) The thing is that people have the expectation that security or police issues should be handled the same everywhere. Not going to happen in a war zone.

Back to corporate evil. There's nothing wrong with any company bidding on Government Services. If you think that there isn't any back door politics or back scratching going on in the defense industry, stop reading now, you're wasting your time, go back to looking at porn.

Bottom line is we need those companies and contractors [mercenaries] to get the job done. War sucks, then you die.

[Morts]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Yes, really. It's true about Steen Christensen, Mr Off Topic.

Edit. For who don't know, Steen Christensen is a Danish guy who came to Finland, robbed a hotel for some loose change and then shot two cops. He is serving his sentence in Denmark.

well, you said you didnt engage in any racist/hate speech...so i pointed out your BS.
IMO that isnt off topic, because it was a part of you're arguement

Originally Posted by Morts

well, you said you didnt engage in any racist/hate speech...so i pointed out your BS.
IMO that isnt off topic, because it was a part of you're arguement

I thought being racist isn't a problem here on SS Radioroom.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

I thought being racist isn't a problem here on SS Radioroom.

Ok, so let me get this straight. First you say, that you arent a racist and condemn it, then you go and make few racist posts yourself after which you again deny being a racist and now you again say that you are a racist.

Ever heard of split personality disorder?

Originally Posted by Dowly

Ok, so let me get this straight. First you say, that you arent a racist and condemn it, then you go and make few racist posts yourself after which you again deny being a racist and now you again say that you are a racist.

Ever heard of split personality disorder?

I'm trying to find out exactly what the rules are here on SS Radioroom. I don't make the rules but I'll follow them meaning if racism is ok then I'll be a racist. Although it's up to me to choose who I am racist against.

I don't see a rule board anywhere that says that racist stuff is forbidden, verboten, förbannad, kielletty. So I must presume that it's allowed then, especially with the mods continually letting racist stuff slide.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

I'm trying to find out exactly what the rules are here on SS Radioroom. I don't make the rules but I'll follow them meaning if racism is ok then I'll be a racist. Although it's up to me to choose who I am racist against.

I don't see a rule board anywhere that says that racist stuff is forbidden, verboten, förbannad, kielletty. So I must presume that it's allowed then, especially with the mods continually letting racist stuff slide.

Acceptable language & graphics, topic spamming

Please use language that you would use around your mother. No vulgarities, obscenities, hate speech, or foul language. Do not use w*rds with aster*cks, that's the same thing as vulgar languge. Express yourself with respect to others.

I think racist stuff can be categorised under hate speech, wouldnt you agree?

As for mods letting it slip, well you are wrong. If you dont see the action, it doesnt mean none is taken behind the scenes.

Originally Posted by Dowly

I think racist stuff can be categorised under hate speech, wouldnt you agree?

As for mods letting it slip, well you are wrong. If you dont see the action, it doesnt mean none is taken behind the scenes.

Not going to name names but certain individuals are never in the brig so I must presume that what they write is allowed and write similar stuff in response.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Not going to name names but certain individuals are never in the brig so I must presume that what they write is allowed and write similar stuff in response.

Didnt I just say that "If you dont see the action, it doesnt mean none is taken behind the scenes."? Brigging isnt the only thing the mods can do, you know.