New to manual targeting..

magic452 · 01-03-10, 11:43 PM

The constant bearing methods (lead angle) described here were developed by various members of the forum and I don't know if any were used in the war.
Some of the history buffs here could answer that better than I.

For my money I would say that the TDC/PK is the most realistic.
Constant bearing is by far the most accurate.

Magic

Bubblehead1980 · 01-04-10, 12:21 AM

TDC/PK is the historically accurate way to fire torpedos and to me, the easiest.Some have trouble with it and use other methods.The historical way works for me so I use it.

Armistead · 01-04-10, 01:38 AM

Learn them all over time, you'll find yourself in situations where you'll prefer one over the other. All the real skippers used some different methods or a combination of them.

O'Kane is my favorite by far. I mostly shoot by sonar, so it works great, plus good way to shoot in storms when you can't see.

sergei · 01-04-10, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

Learn them all over time, you'll find yourself in situations where you'll prefer one over the other.

Seconded. Have as many tricks in your bag as possible.

gutted · 01-04-10, 04:14 PM

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Have as many tricks in your bag as possible.

this

Rockin Robbins · 01-05-10, 08:04 AM

Reminds me of a stickied thread buried around here somewhere...

cbrown · 01-05-10, 10:39 AM

Okay I have been trying to sink the cruiser in sub school #3 using 90 degree approach and I keep missing ahead.

I use 12 kts as target speed, send it to the TDC, max out the range, select 10 degree lead angle, set the Aob to 080 (090 minus 10 deg lead angle). I open all doors and set speed to high.

My course is 000 and as the target crosses 350, I shoot EVERYTHING as the target passes from its bow to its stern. As I check the attack map, all of the torpedoes miss ahead.

What did I do wrong? Should I have shot as the target crossed 000 on the periscope instead of 350 or leave the Aob at 090?

Any suggestions? I was using O'Kane attack crib notes as reference.

Thanks

mobucks · 01-28-10, 08:11 PM

the tutorial "simplified manual targeting 100% realism" on this site somewhere i been using has been working 100% of the time so far, even when i feel such a noob since i only start playing a week ago i always fire and am quite sure it will miss, i hear "torpedo impact"

yay.

the guide requires hitting pause to set up AOB/do some math, but i live with it if i keep getting hits like this, even with TMOs duds i still have a very high success rate.

I'm goin' down · 02-01-10, 01:41 PM

Mobucks--you are on the same path that I followed re manual targeting. Once you learn how to plot the target's true course (it is easy), I recommend downloading the Easy Aob mod. The mod will enable you to pull off attacks at various angles without doing the math required in Hitman's tutorial. It was runner up to mod of the year, and is state of the art subsim technology.

And if you want to blow your mind, download gutted's Solution Solver program and watch his tutorials. It took me a while to figure out, but it was worth it.

Freebird · 02-01-10, 06:02 PM

The tutorials of RRobbins OKane follies and Werners TDC tutorial finally lit my light bulb. It boils it down to a level of simplicity even my feeble brain can grasp.

If you watch Werner walk you thru a setup with just a fictional target, you can see how the upper dial shows target heading. Lower dial, your heading.

And calculating AOB becomes a no brainer. Obviously, if the target is at 90' relative, the AOB is 90' too. It's very proportional in that if the ship is at say 075' relative, then the AOB is 15' less than 90'

I always try to do a solution at 45' relative and a couple final ones around 15' relative. Be ready to shoot at 10' if the target is less than 15kts. Most ships are slow. Warships move out, though.

Always lock your scope when able and enter range and bearing last.

This works out to be the quickest and simplest way to set up OKane or Cromwells method. I have bagged some tonnage doing that and now am ready to learn to do a sonar/hydrophone only blind shot.

capthelm · 02-01-10, 06:47 PM

utube vids on manual attacking?

CH3NO2 · 02-04-10, 10:36 PM

lol, none of them have worked for me so far. Two patrols and 48 torps and what sounded like one hit. Setting sail from Pearl to try again.

magic452 · 02-05-10, 12:22 AM

CH3NO2 Next time you contact a target save the game and reshoot the same situation over again and you will no doubt find what you may be doing wrong.

Use the external cam to see where your torpedoes go and that might shed some light on any problems with your firing solution. Some of your misses might be just torpedoes running to deep, if you have duds on.

Are you playing with map contacts on or off?

Magic

01-03-10, 11:43 PM	#1
magic452 Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Reno Nevada USA Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	The constant bearing methods (lead angle) described here were developed by various members of the forum and I don't know if any were used in the war. Some of the history buffs here could answer that better than I. For my money I would say that the TDC/PK is the most realistic. Constant bearing is by far the most accurate. Magic __________________ Reported lost 11 Feb. 1942 Signature by depthtok33l

01-05-10, 08:04 AM	#6
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Reminds me of a stickied thread buried around here somewhere... __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

02-01-10, 01:41 PM	#9
I'm goin' down Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Notify command we have entered the Grass Sea Posts: 2,822 Downloads: 813 Uploads: 0	mobucks Mobucks--you are on the same path that I followed re manual targeting. Once you learn how to plot the target's true course (it is easy), I recommend downloading the Easy Aob mod. The mod will enable you to pull off attacks at various angles without doing the math required in Hitman's tutorial. It was runner up to mod of the year, and is state of the art subsim technology. And if you want to blow your mind, download gutted's Solution Solver program and watch his tutorials. It took me a while to figure out, but it was worth it.

02-01-10, 06:02 PM	#10
Freebird Mate Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 51 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Torpedo Impact! The tutorials of RRobbins OKane follies and Werners TDC tutorial finally lit my light bulb. It boils it down to a level of simplicity even my feeble brain can grasp. If you watch Werner walk you thru a setup with just a fictional target, you can see how the upper dial shows target heading. Lower dial, your heading. And calculating AOB becomes a no brainer. Obviously, if the target is at 90' relative, the AOB is 90' too. It's very proportional in that if the ship is at say 075' relative, then the AOB is 15' less than 90' I always try to do a solution at 45' relative and a couple final ones around 15' relative. Be ready to shoot at 10' if the target is less than 15kts. Most ships are slow. Warships move out, though. Always lock your scope when able and enter range and bearing last. This works out to be the quickest and simplest way to set up OKane or Cromwells method. I have bagged some tonnage doing that and now am ready to learn to do a sonar/hydrophone only blind shot.

02-01-10, 06:47 PM	#11
capthelm Captain Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 522 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	utube vids on manual attacking? __________________ "One torpedo ... one ship" my SH5 lighting mod http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkM5k8SXpWo my SH5 audio mod http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIN5RHeL8B8

01-04-10, 12:21 AM	#2
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,118 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	TDC/PK is the historically accurate way to fire torpedos and to me, the easiest.Some have trouble with it and use other methods.The historical way works for me so I use it.

01-04-10, 01:38 AM	#3
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Learn them all over time, you'll find yourself in situations where you'll prefer one over the other. All the real skippers used some different methods or a combination of them. O'Kane is my favorite by far. I mostly shoot by sonar, so it works great, plus good way to shoot in storms when you can't see.

01-05-10, 10:39 AM	#7
cbrown Swabbie Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 9 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Okay I have been trying to sink the cruiser in sub school #3 using 90 degree approach and I keep missing ahead. I use 12 kts as target speed, send it to the TDC, max out the range, select 10 degree lead angle, set the Aob to 080 (090 minus 10 deg lead angle). I open all doors and set speed to high. My course is 000 and as the target crosses 350, I shoot EVERYTHING as the target passes from its bow to its stern. As I check the attack map, all of the torpedoes miss ahead. What did I do wrong? Should I have shot as the target crossed 000 on the periscope instead of 350 or leave the Aob at 090? Any suggestions? I was using O'Kane attack crib notes as reference. Thanks

01-28-10, 08:11 PM	#8
mobucks Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 713 Downloads: 209 Uploads: 0	the tutorial "simplified manual targeting 100% realism" on this site somewhere i been using has been working 100% of the time so far, even when i feel such a noob since i only start playing a week ago i always fire and am quite sure it will miss, i hear "torpedo impact" yay. the guide requires hitting pause to set up AOB/do some math, but i live with it if i keep getting hits like this, even with TMOs duds i still have a very high success rate.

02-04-10, 10:36 PM	#12
CH3NO2 Swabbie Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Owensboro, Ky. Posts: 9 Downloads: 50 Uploads: 0	lol, none of them have worked for me so far. Two patrols and 48 torps and what sounded like one hit. Setting sail from Pearl to try again.

02-05-10, 12:22 AM	#13
magic452 Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Reno Nevada USA Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	CH3NO2 Next time you contact a target save the game and reshoot the same situation over again and you will no doubt find what you may be doing wrong. Use the external cam to see where your torpedoes go and that might shed some light on any problems with your firing solution. Some of your misses might be just torpedoes running to deep, if you have duds on. Are you playing with map contacts on or off? Magic __________________ Reported lost 11 Feb. 1942 Signature by depthtok33l