[Suomi Finland Perkele]Gunman kills 5, possibly himself

[Stealth Hunter]

Oh no, Dowly! Don't you know? We American citizens need to own automatic weapons, howitzers, low-grade hand grenades, and domestic landmines! It's the only way we can protect FREEDOM.

"I'm not a racist but...".

hmmmmm?

Originally Posted by Tribesman

hmmmmm?

If you're quoting me then that is one of the things that people who don't want to be seen as racists say. These people try to give some credibility to the things they say by distancing themselves from openly racist types.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

If you're quoting me then that is one of the things that people who don't want to be seen as racists say. These people try to give some credibility to the things they say by distancing themselves from openly racist types.

Well actually, for him to be a racist he must be discriminating or singling-out a particular race. Last time I checked, Finns and Americans aren't races. For that matter, referring to Jews as a race (to touch upon the anti-Semitic groups out there) is also an inaccurate description. Now, Caucasian, Hispanic, African-American, etc. are a different story.

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Well actually, for him to be a racist he must be discriminating or singling-out a particular race. Last time I checked, Finns and Americans aren't races. For that matter, referring to Jews as a race (to touch upon the anti-Semitic groups out there) is also an inaccurate description. Now, Caucasian, Hispanic, African-American, etc. are a different story.

Or maybe there is just the human race. That's also a legit way of looking at things.

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Finns and Americans aren't races. For that matter, referring to Jews as a race (to touch upon the anti-Semitic groups out there) is also an inaccurate description. Now, Caucasian, Hispanic, African-American, etc. are a different story.

Okay, okay... Finn, American, Jew, Hispanic, African-American - but we don't want the Irish.



(Disclaimer: that there's a joke, friends.)

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Or maybe there is just the human race. That's also a legit way of looking at things.

Jawohl.

Maybe what we really need is an "Independence Day" style extraterrestrial strike force invasion to make that all too clear. Too bad it would probably take one to drive the point home fully for everybody on the planet!

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Jawohl.

Maybe what we really need is an "Independence Day" style extraterrestrial strike force invasion to make that all too clear. Too bad it would probably take one to drive the point home fully for everybody on the planet!

If you're quoting me then that is one of the things that people who don't want to be seen as racists say.

Really?

Well actually, for him to be a racist he must be discriminating or singling-out a particular race.

As you note it appears there is only one race of humans, I just found it funny that someone threw in that line when they are usually very vocally racist on a national level like OTH is.

[kranz]

I bet they gonna find GTA on his PC

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Or maybe there is just the human race. That's also a legit way of looking at things.

But incorrect by definition. We're Homo sapiens, a species of bipedal primates belonging to the Hominidae family.

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

But incorrect by definition. We're Homo sapiens, a species of bipedal primates belonging to the Hominidae family.

The term race has become pretty outdated as a term to neatly divide people into some groups. There is constant debate about what is meant with the term race but the consensus seems to be that it means less today then it did in the past.

Originally Posted by Dowly

****ing foreigners. Machineguns to the borders and order to shoot everyone who dont speak Finnish.

Allowing people in who do not speak the language, on a short term basis can sometimes be helpful to a nation (F.eks. Very short term tourists), while at other times it can be fairly mandatory to the well being of that nation (F.eks. People who work in the transport branch).

Allowing foreigners to reside within the borders of one's nation is a completely different matter. A language test PRIOR TO the issuance of a resident permit is a good method of determining how much commitment and loyalty one has to their new home nation. In most cases, if there is a lack of motivation to learn the language, customs, history, and laws of a country, there is also a lack of loyalty and love for that country and it's people. The person is generaly just looking for an exploitable land where they can maintain there old culture, and thumb their nose at the new. (It should be noted that loyalties to an old land, culture, and people can in some cases remain strong even in following generations. Like any other animals, people DO tend to seek out others who are more like themselves.)

Immigration should be a very tightly controled and selective process. Immigration to a country should not be viewed as a right, but a very special privaledge given to a select few who demonstrate their loyalty and worthyness. At present there are more people than jobs, therefor the immigration door should be only barely open, if at all. The well being of an individual in question, and that includes myself, must come after the well being of the state, it's citizens, national identity, and culture.

As for the the word "Racist" that gets thrown about so frequently:
The PC crowd seems to be the most guilty party. It would seem that they advocate the self-genocide of their own people through overly liberal over-immigration policies, and anyone who stands in their way is slapped with the title of racist, which should be reserved for themselves. For anyone that believes a people can't be over-immigrated to the borders of extinction, I suggest you look at North America, South America, and Australia. That is the path PC has opened up for Europe. Europe, and it's people, don't owe the rest of the world a thing. Self Preservation does not equal Hate!

[Foxtrot]

If he was a native local then he probably would have shot the whole family by a shotgun or whole available family, or would have tried to board the plane after shooting

[papa_smurf]

This is what you get with lax gun laws. Although I can't speak as here in the UK despite some of the toughest gun laws, we still get shootings (mainly in inner-city areas).