A hole without a bottom...

[CaptainHaplo]

Skybird - remember that the "alliances" in afghanistan change consistently - there is no long term stability in "talking" a group out of the fight. You have posted that repeatedly yourself.

The reality is that to solve the afghanistan problem, is going to take a different approach altogether. Talking won't do. Nor will just special operations actions.

You have to understand what motivates the people, and either answer to that motivation, or make what they desire too costly to gain.

Additionally, your totally not counting the external forces (besides the taliban in pakistan) that are at work.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Skybird - remember that the "alliances" in afghanistan change consistently - there is no long term stability in "talking" a group out of the fight. You have posted that repeatedly yourself.

The reality is that to solve the afghanistan problem, is going to take a different approach altogether. Talking won't do. Nor will just special operations actions.

You have to understand what motivates the people, and either answer to that motivation, or make what they desire too costly to gain.

Haplo,
I have to apolize for not having been complete. I meant to directly refer to both the British and since yesterday: also the Germans (our defence minister) saying that "we need to talk to the Taleban". I should have made the reference clear and wanted to make it clear, but I forgot to mention it. My fault. Sorry for the confusion.

Indeed the history of the Afghan resiotance since the soviet invasions shows a rich diversity of chnaging alliances and treacheries. That Dostom, one of the most brutal and ruthless warlords during past times, who repeatedly switched sides, now is linked to the Karzai government, is one of the greatest mockeries one could point at that regime.

Talking to the Taleban (Brtish, germans) is useless, they are fanatics driven by relgion. If talking should be done, then talk to the local groups and tribes that have nothing to do with both the Taleban and drug farming, but who are fighting against the centralised government for the reason Hoh has mentioned in his letter - he is very right in his assessments, I think. and as you have mentioned yourself so correctly - do not pay them too much for their alliances, for they will not last. An old saying they have down there, goes like this: "you can temporarily lease an Afghan- but you can't buy him". Money and weapons you give them now from bribery, sooner or later will be pointed against your own troops again.

For gods sake Sky you are talking about not hiring locals but just hiring locals.
Please enlighten me.
Is Dostrum a hired local or a hired local, when he changes sides is it because he is a hired local who has been hired or a hired local who has been hired.
Seriously , you are running through the same crap that everyone ran through decades ago...yet are making up conclusions that fly in the face of long established reality.

Just follow the bouncing dollar.

Check out KBR, and how it ties in with Halibuton, Cheney, and all the rest of THE SAME OLD CREW.:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KBR_(company)

Regardless of who the ACTING President is, it's still the same people who control USA's government (amongst many others).

Here's a-little more light on the subject.:

http://www.oilcompanies.net/oil1.htm

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Snestorm

Here's a-little more light on the subject.:

http://www.oilcompanies.net/oil1.htm

You know this brilliant program?



In the past it was available as one youtube video, now it is 9 parts.

[Skybird]

Didn't know he had more stuff released. Just watched "Resistence is fertile" , and still have wet eyes from laughing.

Downloading now all nine parts of "From Caliban to Taliban", will watch the show tomorrow - conducting preemptive warfare against a waitress named Sarah Connor because in the future she gives birth to a boy named John Connor who will organise the resistance against the takeover by the military-industrial complex sounds promising, right?

Originally Posted by Skybird

You know this brilliant program?

I do now. It's bookmarked so I can watch during breaks in the action here.