No more GPS

vanjast · 12-20-09, 02:41 AM

If the 'real navigation' option is not implemented, could the devs makes the night sky, sunrise/set, moon rise/set/phase.. as accurate as possible to the time period - This shouldn't be much of a workload.

Also could they make the following info available for modding.

- The vertical angle of binocs, scope and obscope
- Base time, longitude time..etc..
- Ability to add an operational sextant as a screen.

The rest will be done by the 'Nav Community'.

Thanks
Van

edt: gammar error

THE_MASK · 12-20-09, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vanjast

If the 'real navigation' option is not implemented, could the devs makes the night sky, sunrise/set, moon rise/set/phase.. as accurate as possible to the time period - This should be much of a workload.

Also could they make the following info available for modding.

- The vertical angle of binocs, scope and obscope
- Base time, longitude time..etc..
- Ability to add an operational sextant as a screen.

The rest will be done by the 'Nav Community'.

Thanks
Van

Question and answer by the devs .
Will the navigation map handle the earth as a cylinder like in SH3?

Yes. Although not geographically correct, the cylindrical view is the easiest to understand and use of all cartographical projections, especially if we consider the possibility that the player could roam all the seas as he / she wishes. We investigated other projections as well, using a globe or specific maps of several locations (like they did in reality) but the drawbacks in terms of usability, freedom and understanding were too big to consider them further. Also, there is a number of technical problems associated to other geographical projections, which we chose not to tackle for now.

Sgtmonkeynads · 12-20-09, 03:44 AM

I sort of think that if one is going to go all out and make a realistic sim, then yes, no gps. Although i see my self very lost in the future, go east or west long enough you will hit land. Just go ashore and ask for directions.

Hitman · 12-20-09, 04:30 AM

Actually, the good old aces of the deep already shipped with that "fake-rounded" earth

How? Simply by making the game chart/map not be the common merchator projection, but instead accounting for real proportions. Sure, it could do it because not the whole world was covered, but still it was a great thing. Convoys sailed in straight line from New York to the irish channel, whereas in SH3 they are making a big curve. That curve is actually the correction for the rounded shape of the earth; in real life you can travel straigth.

The main problem so far -I think- is that while there are lots of Geosurvellance data maps in mercator format, it is much more expensive to buy one for the game which takes that curvature into account. And doing it from scratch would misplace most depth data or be a huge work.

vanjast · 12-20-09, 01:56 PM

Hi, Sober.. yes, I'm well aware of why the Mercator projection was used, and knew this in SH3 days, probably before the devs mentioned this.. but this has little to do with my optional request.

12-20-09, 02:41 AM	#1
vanjast Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Somewhere else now Posts: 1,740 Downloads: 825 Uploads: 4	If the 'real navigation' option is not implemented, could the devs makes the night sky, sunrise/set, moon rise/set/phase.. as accurate as possible to the time period - This shouldn't be much of a workload. Also could they make the following info available for modding. - The vertical angle of binocs, scope and obscope - Base time, longitude time..etc.. - Ability to add an operational sextant as a screen. The rest will be done by the 'Nav Community'. Thanks Van edt: gammar error Last edited by vanjast; 12-20-09 at 01:57 PM.

12-20-09, 03:44 AM	#3
Sgtmonkeynads Ships Secretary Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: MilesCity Montana Posts: 583 Downloads: 614 Uploads: 0	I sort of think that if one is going to go all out and make a realistic sim, then yes, no gps. Although i see my self very lost in the future, go east or west long enough you will hit land. Just go ashore and ask for directions. __________________ Just help someone.....it makes a difference

12-20-09, 04:30 AM	#4
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	Actually, the good old aces of the deep already shipped with that "fake-rounded" earth How? Simply by making the game chart/map not be the common merchator projection, but instead accounting for real proportions. Sure, it could do it because not the whole world was covered, but still it was a great thing. Convoys sailed in straight line from New York to the irish channel, whereas in SH3 they are making a big curve. That curve is actually the correction for the rounded shape of the earth; in real life you can travel straigth. The main problem so far -I think- is that while there are lots of Geosurvellance data maps in mercator format, it is much more expensive to buy one for the game which takes that curvature into account. And doing it from scratch would misplace most depth data or be a huge work. __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

12-20-09, 01:56 PM	#5
vanjast Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Somewhere else now Posts: 1,740 Downloads: 825 Uploads: 4	Hi, Sober.. yes, I'm well aware of why the Mercator projection was used, and knew this in SH3 days, probably before the devs mentioned this.. but this has little to do with my optional request.