Not just china and the middle east then.

AVGWarhawk · 12-15-09, 11:04 AM

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It's a dilemma.

You actively assist criminal energy by keeping the internet unregulated.

Regulating it a bit to battle crime, opens a range of options political opportunists may find all too tempting to abuse.

Well, we do not have total freedom on the street, too. There are laws, and policemen, and rules saying what you may do, and what not. There are even sanctions if you do not comply.

So far, the internet is a truly anarchic space. That it cannot stay that way, is clear.

Total, unlimited freedom, is an illusions. You need to balance individual freedom versus communal interests, and security concerns.

Excellent Skybird! You are never more correct in stating the net is anarchic space. In my terms, it is a free-for-all. I agree 100% on your thoughts here on the internet.

12-15-09, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Excellent Skybird! You are never more correct in stating the net is anarchic space. In my terms, it is a free-for-all. I agree 100% on your thoughts here on the internet.

Why not an entry page describing the situation suspected?
"Enter"
"Close"

Let us also consider that all communications over the internet are trackable.
The free flow of information can also be used as a tool in apprehending criminals.

AVGWarhawk · 12-15-09, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Snestorm

Why not an entry page describing the situation suspected?
"Enter"
"Close"

Let us also consider that all communications over the internet are trackable.
The free flow of information can also be used as a tool in apprehending criminals.

I did not have any comment on what happens in Germany.

12-15-09, 05:48 PM

Our "Government"(read Dictatorship) , went to the last election saying that the filter,(Censorship) ,would be an opt-in filter , 3 days after the election they changed it to a mandatory system with a secret filter list - the so called filter test report has been seriously re edited to make it look like the tests worked , even though the communications minister kept changing the requirements of the test WHILE it was happening ,only 8 isp's took part in the test and one of them had a grand total of 15 customers sign up yet we're supposed to believe that the test was legitimate

coincidently , the minister received the test report at the start of October , he said it would be released at the end of October and confirmed that when he was asked about it in a senate committee but he ends up releasing it just over a week from Christmas when he can try to slip it under the radar of the media and opponents

Ducimus · 12-15-09, 07:32 PM

Internet filters have been around for a long time now. The agument for them, is a good one from a business point of view in terms of liablity.

Say you pass a joke to a coworker of some naked chick. A female coworker happends to look over and see whats on your monitor. That's an instant sexual harrassment lawsuit against the company.

Then there's this thing im engaging in right now called "Cyber slacking". Posting on forums while at work. Did you know that with the right product, a companys system admin can sort through those tons of traffic logs to see who's viewing what, when, and for how long?

BTW, did you also know that US public Library's (and school districts to if im not mistaken), by law, have to have an internet filter?

Now one could go all moralistic about this, but the bottom line is, that if your on a network owned by a business, corporation, state, or government they have every right to filter and monitor the traffic that goes over their network. It's they're bandwidth and resources, that they pay for.

Where the slippery slope comes in is when an ISP's use a filter that has home based subscribers. ( *cough* christian ones in specific) Then people get a block screen because they can't visit assmunchinganalpaste.com and email us a nastygram assuming we're the big brother blocking their traffic when we didn't have anything to do with it.

Freiwillige · 12-15-09, 08:44 PM

I think the major concern here is that generally what is acceptable to one group is not to another. And by the time the world governments get everything (They deem) offensive filtered the web will be like Chinese state run TV.

Example Blocking Neo Nazi websites could also link to anything Nazi related including the silent Hunter series!

Blocking religious extremists sites could eventually ending up with your local church website being blocked.

The web is regulated now. Many child pornography rings are broken up and people being arrested. Many extremist plotters are arrested as well. The web is regulated and allot better than many think.

This on the other hand is just thought control plain and simple.

12-15-09, 05:48 PM	#4
darius359au Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Our "Government"(read Dictatorship) , went to the last election saying that the filter,(Censorship) ,would be an opt-in filter , 3 days after the election they changed it to a mandatory system with a secret filter list - the so called filter test report has been seriously re edited to make it look like the tests worked , even though the communications minister kept changing the requirements of the test WHILE it was happening ,only 8 isp's took part in the test and one of them had a grand total of 15 customers sign up yet we're supposed to believe that the test was legitimate coincidently , the minister received the test report at the start of October , he said it would be released at the end of October and confirmed that when he was asked about it in a senate committee but he ends up releasing it just over a week from Christmas when he can try to slip it under the radar of the media and opponents

12-15-09, 07:32 PM	#5
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Internet filters have been around for a long time now. The agument for them, is a good one from a business point of view in terms of liablity. Say you pass a joke to a coworker of some naked chick. A female coworker happends to look over and see whats on your monitor. That's an instant sexual harrassment lawsuit against the company. Then there's this thing im engaging in right now called "Cyber slacking". Posting on forums while at work. Did you know that with the right product, a companys system admin can sort through those tons of traffic logs to see who's viewing what, when, and for how long? BTW, did you also know that US public Library's (and school districts to if im not mistaken), by law, have to have an internet filter? Now one could go all moralistic about this, but the bottom line is, that if your on a network owned by a business, corporation, state, or government they have every right to filter and monitor the traffic that goes over their network. It's they're bandwidth and resources, that they pay for. Where the slippery slope comes in is when an ISP's use a filter that has home based subscribers. ( cough christian ones in specific) Then people get a block screen because they can't visit assmunchinganalpaste.com and email us a nastygram assuming we're the big brother blocking their traffic when we didn't have anything to do with it.

12-15-09, 08:44 PM	#6
Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	I think the major concern here is that generally what is acceptable to one group is not to another. And by the time the world governments get everything (They deem) offensive filtered the web will be like Chinese state run TV. Example Blocking Neo Nazi websites could also link to anything Nazi related including the silent Hunter series! Blocking religious extremists sites could eventually ending up with your local church website being blocked. The web is regulated now. Many child pornography rings are broken up and people being arrested. Many extremist plotters are arrested as well. The web is regulated and allot better than many think. This on the other hand is just thought control plain and simple.