Hacked Emails Show Climate Science Ridden with Rancor

Stealth Hunter · 12-09-09, 07:33 PM

I actually agree with August. Aside from controlling pollution, we need to control our population as well. The two go hand-in-hand really. I'm moderately in favor of the system China has: one child per household (unless the first one's a female or suffers from some kind of disease/disability), you pay extra taxes if you have more and can , you can only have another child every 3 to 4 years, minorities can be and usually are subject to different rules, twins are acceptable, you get the idea. They've shown it to be astoundingly effective. Discrimination or not, it's a matter of survival in the end. Of the country, of the populace, of our species really. And the planet in the end.

August · 12-09-09, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

I actually agree with August. Aside from controlling pollution, we need to control our population as well. The two go hand-in-hand really. I'm moderately in favor of the system China has: one child per household (unless the first one's a female or suffers from some kind of disease/disability), you pay extra taxes if you have more and can , you can only have another child every 3 to 4 years, minorities can be and usually are subject to different rules, twins are acceptable, you get the idea. They've shown it to be astoundingly effective. Discrimination or not, it's a matter of survival in the end. Of the country, of the populace, of our species really. And the planet in the end.

China's system works because it is a single highly regimented nation under a very tight rule. What happens when some countries don't or can't enforce the limits?

VipertheSniper · 12-09-09, 08:11 PM

While I wouldn't say that China's one child policy works, because of that much females get aborted (or did they change that (one child policy)? reason being what I write a bit later) because males are preferred, and there already is a shortage of women so to speak, it has the advantage that a part of the populace won't be able to find a partner, and thus won't be able to reproduce.

CaptainHaplo · 12-09-09, 08:32 PM

Well - if they can't reproduce - that means fewer people next generation - which is kind of the aim of population control. So that would mean it does work, no?

Torvald Von Mansee · 12-09-09, 11:14 PM

I'll just leave this here:

Stealth Hunter · 12-09-09, 11:30 PM

Where'd that graph come from? Just curious.

CaptainHaplo · 12-09-09, 11:38 PM

I've seen it before - can't recall the place off the top of my head. Course - if you want to believe that 4000 years ago they were measureing CO2... then go ahead and swallow the line. But most people know better.
Oh - and notice thats PPM - Parts per million. So its increased by how much of 1% of that million in 60 years?

Oh fear and horror and panic - the world is coming to an end.

Bullocks... pure bullocks.

Thomen · 12-10-09, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Where'd that graph come from? Just curious.

NASA.. right click and see properties for the picture. =)

VipertheSniper · 12-10-09, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Well - if they can't reproduce - that means fewer people next generation - which is kind of the aim of population control. So that would mean it does work, no?

The problem here is that the male surplus was an unintended side effect. Natural would be a slight surplus for females, and as long as one child per family is adhered to, the population would decrease anyway, albeit not as fast. I'd have to find numbers as to how high the male surplus is, but as far as I know in some regions it's not just a miniscule amount of men that can't find a partner. I know it's a bit of a stretch, but if those masses of disgruntled men get organized and cause civil unrest that's a force to be reckoned with, even for the Chinese government.

If you want to continue I'd be glad to take it to PM's, because this thread is derailed enough as it is.

12-09-09, 08:32 PM	#4
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Well - if they can't reproduce - that means fewer people next generation - which is kind of the aim of population control. So that would mean it does work, no? __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

12-09-09, 11:14 PM	#5
Torvald Von Mansee Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: CA4528 Posts: 1,693 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I'll just leave this here: __________________ "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you" - Leon Trotsky

12-09-09, 11:38 PM	#7
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	I've seen it before - can't recall the place off the top of my head. Course - if you want to believe that 4000 years ago they were measureing CO2... then go ahead and swallow the line. But most people know better. Oh - and notice thats PPM - Parts per million. So its increased by how much of 1% of that million in 60 years? Oh fear and horror and panic - the world is coming to an end. Bullocks... pure bullocks. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

12-09-09, 07:33 PM	#1
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I actually agree with August. Aside from controlling pollution, we need to control our population as well. The two go hand-in-hand really. I'm moderately in favor of the system China has: one child per household (unless the first one's a female or suffers from some kind of disease/disability), you pay extra taxes if you have more and can , you can only have another child every 3 to 4 years, minorities can be and usually are subject to different rules, twins are acceptable, you get the idea. They've shown it to be astoundingly effective. Discrimination or not, it's a matter of survival in the end. Of the country, of the populace, of our species really. And the planet in the end.

12-09-09, 08:11 PM	#3
VipertheSniper Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Austria Posts: 1,074 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	While I wouldn't say that China's one child policy works, because of that much females get aborted (or did they change that (one child policy)? reason being what I write a bit later) because males are preferred, and there already is a shortage of women so to speak, it has the advantage that a part of the populace won't be able to find a partner, and thus won't be able to reproduce.

12-09-09, 11:30 PM	#6
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Where'd that graph come from? Just curious.