US is the no. 1 polluter in the world

In terms of absolute figures China has the no. 1 spot at least when it comes to airborne pollution. At least according to these sources.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...9/china.usnews

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7347638.stm

Although it's possible that the UK media might have an agenda against China and therefore they might be inclined to put out info that paints China negatively and gives a more positive image of their war ally the US.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Although it's possible that the UK media might have an agenda against China and therefore they might be inclined to put out info that paints China negatively and gives a more positive image of their war ally the US.

Do you know how profoundly paranoid that sounds?

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

Do you know how profoundly paranoid that sounds?

Well the study that the BBC link refers to is made by a US institute. I'd say you are pretty gullible if you think that the US isn't actively trying to use all means it has to put out info that makes the US look less of a polluter that it is.

And that's not paranoia, that's just the way things are. The institutions of a country make studies that favour that country. US universities are also very much funded by big corporations that have a vested intrest in seeing studies that are anti-environmental in some way.

I'm looking for UN studies concerning pollution since despite what people especially in the States say about the UN, it's still the no. 1 most reliable organisation that makes studies on a global level.

[Ducimus]

You know, if you don't like the US, you don't have to go through such lengths to qualify your hatred of us.. Just say, "I hate the US!" and be done with it.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

Do you know how profoundly paranoid that sounds?

No, he is totally out of this world in all subects.

[Happy Times]

Last week Finnish organisations, representing most of the population, send an open letter to the goverment, pleading for three new nuclear power plants.

Letter was signed by these organisations.

Confederation of Finnish Industries
The Finnish Farmers' and Forest Owners' Union
Central Organisation of Finnish Trade Unions
The Finnish Confederation of Professionals
Confederation of Unions for Professional and Managerial Staff in Finland
Federation of Finnish Enterprises
The Central Chamber of Commerce
Finnish Homeowners

AFAIK all the U-235 is from the US and we don't import any.

Leaving aside the program where they import material which already has very very high 235 levels and then reduce those levels, can you name a few countries that are the main sources of your imports for getting 235?

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Leaving aside the program where they import material which already has very very high 235 levels and then reduce those levels, can you name a few countries that are the main sources of your imports for getting 235?

Thanks Tribesman. I had no idé what "AFAIK" meant, and it wasn't in my word-book.

If the stuff has to be imported it's not such a good solution anyway. It's a shame, as many of the developements in the nuclear field have been so positive.

Having to import is an Economic and Security negative, perhaps even more-so than oil.
If the negatives of coal could be removed it would be a real boost for USA.

[ETR3(SS)]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Hello,
pollution is not all about CO2 and such. Spent nuclear reactors, that are just being sunk east of Novaja Semlja (and the territory afterwards being leased out to Norway, for fishing) by the evil russians, are counterwise sunk in the Bering strait, by the USA.

We don't dump them in the ocean anymore, we bury them!

And then there is Depleted Uranium (DU), a major export article, used in those (in)famous A-10 Thunderbolt "Warthogs". Buried in the ground they only intoxicate is slowly for the next 10000 or so years, while the bullets hitting steel explode into a fine mist, which once getting into the lungs is sure to cause cancer and all kinds of health diseases.

I got a chuckle out of this. When that DU round hits a tank, the dust created is the last thing on the crews mind...if they're still alive. Besides I think we switched to Tungsten instead of DU, less health hazards for the ammo handlers.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Leaving aside the program where they import material which already has very very high 235 levels and then reduce those levels, can you name a few countries that are the main sources of your imports for getting 235?

Boy did I have a Homer Simpson moment. I completely forgot about the Megatons to Megawatts program we have with Russia. And the large reserve in Canada. So I stand corrected on what you quoted me.

Well ETR outside of the bombs to energy program there are 17 main countries that supply the US, Canada is often not the biggest supplier, often 3 countries alone each supply more to the US than the US itself produces
What does surprise me though is the costs, on average the price paid for foriegn supplied Uranium is lower than that produced domesticly.

Originally Posted by Happy Times

Last week Finnish organisations, representing most of the population, send an open letter to the goverment, pleading for three new nuclear power plants.

Letter was signed by these organisations.

Confederation of Finnish Industries
The Finnish Farmers' and Forest Owners' Union
Central Organisation of Finnish Trade Unions
The Finnish Confederation of Professionals
Confederation of Unions for Professional and Managerial Staff in Finland
Federation of Finnish Enterprises
The Central Chamber of Commerce
Finnish Homeowners

Why have elections or referendums when you can just let those organisations decide things.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Why have elections or referendums when you can just let those organisations decide things.

They represent the whole political spectrum..
Except for treehuggers and everyone else who dont concern themselfs with the well being of Finlands economy, employment and ordinary citizens.

[karamazovnew]

I stopped caring about pollution years ago because of 2 reasons:
1. It's too late anyway, we're along for the ride.
2. All the green stuff on TV, green this, eco that. It's worse than Christmas commercials. And we're in for many years of this.
They've all started using using pollution as a marketing tool, after yeaaaars of denying the problem and making pressure on GreenPeace. Now all major oil companies show is how they use renewable resources. Yeah right. And the pollution quota for countries, traded between states. This is sick.
The european car developers have jumped the wagon and are desperate to b e the first to mass produce Fuel Cells and Electric cars. What's the bloody point? Most of that energy comes from coal and oil power plants. And it will not be free anyway. Expect to see another huge oil price rise just before they start launching them.

I remember someone saying during the 90's that if we stopped polluting THEN, and turned off all sources instantly, we might have a chance to avoid major changes. As I said, we're in for a very long ride. However I'm not about to hang myself in desperation or refuse to have children. But in the long term it might be a very wise choice to:
1. Move to Tasmania.
2. Cover my house with photovoltaic paint.
3. By an electric car and recharge only at home.
4. Insulate my home well and use a sonic thermal changer.
5. Make an underground shelter and fill it with 100 year warranty cans of food and water.
6. Start learning how to grow plants.... Might need some Marijuana too since Alcohol might get too expensive

Because you never know when the aliens will invade us AGAIN!

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

In terms of absolute figures China has the no. 1 spot at least when it comes to airborne pollution. At least according to these sources.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...9/china.usnews

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7347638.stm

Although it's possible that the UK media might have an agenda against China and therefore they might be inclined to put out info that paints China negatively and gives a more positive image of their war ally the US.

China does keep popping up as numer one. I do not see a purpose or a means to an end for UK media to attempt what you suggest.

[Ducimus]

Although it's possible that the UK media might have an agenda against China and therefore they might be inclined to put out info that paints China negatively and gives a more positive image of their war ally the US.

I think your reaching a bit with that. China is one reason why the price of fuel has gone up. Greater demand from China. Nevermind all the factories and crap there now. Just about everything is made in China now. I suspect China is doing the same thing Korea has for awhile now. To coin a phraise we used alot, "Trying to become a first world nation in one generation." The rate of their industrial expansion has been too quick for other items like pollution control or maybe even labor laws to keep up.