Realism v simulation

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Originally Posted by The Bellman

Rip - ''The baffle is less than 120 degrees''

How much less ? - lot of room down to our DW 60 deg.

Rip -''The depth change data is fairly accurate''

Which data - Greenville trans. or mine from 688 DW ?

Marconi - ''The depth change performance in DW isn't unrealistic, it's dreadful.''

You arent telling me surely that the 688 in DW taking a minute to level out over 20 ft is accurate ?
When the transcript shows the 688 takes '' a minute or so '' to go from 150 ft to Peri. depth !
One assumes that means arrive at periscope deployment depth level and ready to deploy the peri.

I dont think there can be much room for lack of knowledge -
''You would be suprised how much technical details these guys don't know.''

If these areas are 'sensitive' then I can understand and appreciate the need to 'muddy the waters'
and also the need to inaccurately simulate. But I cant imagine that these are such areas of concern.

The baffles are not cut and dry. You begin to get ownship noise interferance around 45 degrees either side. 30 degrees either side or 60 total is very difficult to hear anything. 15 either side is pretty much blind.

The PD times he used in the Greenville transcript is right if everything is going well and seas aren't bad. In rough seas it takes longer because you must be careful. Heavy seas tend to cause a suction on the deck and will suck you up if not careful. The old man gets VERY pissed when you broach the sail. 6 foot swells only leaves you with about 6 ft to work with. This number is also greatly affected by the quality of the dive team and how well the ship is trimmed. Often when in transit they don't have time to trim well before going up. However if you are on station and doing slow search the trim is probably bang on. Unless you get stuch with the Supply Officer for diving officer :rotfl:

On the technical details. They remember the stuff that is important to them doing there jobs. Orders are to clear baffles using 120 degrees, how much the baffles affect and how many degrees exactly isn't all that important. Most of the younger officers are having to memorize amazing amounts of stuff about the power plant and the weapons that are important. So it isn't that suprising when they don't know what platforms have a topsail radar for instance. That was my job and they knew I would tell them. Same thing with sonar details. There are 15 people who know the system inside and out on board. The officers know they can count on the NCOs to do their jobs and know such stuff.

Some of this stuff is not done accurately not only for security reason, but also play balance. IRL the skimmers would get sunk quick and the Helos and P3s would have MUCH harder times getting contact. Wouldn't be much fun for them to search the whole game and not find ****. The tactics are pretty much the same. Just less effective. When we used to do excersises with the Air units we would have to surface and turn on the lights so they could get a fix on us. Then we would try to loose them. Just having them search for us in an area always resulted in them not finding us