GWX is a yawner.

Damo · 11-28-09, 04:56 AM

At the end of the day, GWX wasn't designed to please everyone, it was made with great attention to detail and historical fact and went waaaaay beyond what stock SH3 had to offer. They did this free, for us, and asked nothing in return and I for one am thankful.

Now, there are two sides to gaming, the simulation side where things need to be as close to reality as possible, and there is pure gaming, where the action is fast and plentiful for a 'quick fix'. GWX is certainly not the latter, and yes you will spend a long time travelling around without seeing anything, as did the real Kaleuns, that's realism....

As far as the messages go, there are mods to fix them and the weather? Well until Ubi release the SDK there's nothing every modder on the planet can do. From your post, I'd guess you probably ramped up the TC quite a bit and if you'd have taken your time and looked, you'd have read that high TC can cause the weather to 'stick', so it's most probably your fault that you had such a bad experience. Try using no more than 128x and you should see the weather change.

Frankly, I find your post abhorrent and should be deleted because you've obviously not given the mod anywhere near a fair chance and you're throwing dirt in the faces of those that spent hours upon hours of their free time to bring us this gem of a mod. Luckily for you, this community is very open to people's opinions and rarely lower themselves to derrogatory behaviour, but unless you've got A.D.D. I'd suggest you keep your opinions to yourself until you have given GWX a fair chance and you've looked around the forums for some answers to your issues, because it's certain that someone has posted about every one of them.

Just look at my sig, I run ALL those mods alongside GWX and then some, there are more that wouldn't fit on the sig!! Everybody will need to flavor their game to taste, you are no different so get out there and do some reading.

Alternatively, stick with SH4 and enjoy 'gaming'.

Lt.Fillipidis · 11-28-09, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Damo

Alternatively, stick with SH4 and enjoy 'gaming'.

Although i wont stop playing GWX, i'll stick to the "extremelly realistic game".
I dont wanna scream "ALAAAAAAAAARM" every time i see a ship.
Especially while living in a city with a huge port...

Pisces · 11-28-09, 06:28 AM

First, whether you find anything depends on where you are looking. As in, what patrol location, in the middle of the atlantic, or nearer to land? Did you ever submerge to listen with your hydrophone in such bad weather? Did you look on the map often enough for 'silent' contact reports that appear. Convoys come with radio messages, but single units don't. Intercept them also! Did you keep your crew (including officer) on watch?

And maximum TC values might even have caused your lonely days. High TC values increases the distance a unit moved before a 'vicinity' check is done. In a matter of speaking, it might have 'jumped over' your 3d -bubble, instead of inside of it.

As for the weather, afaik the weather fix was allready built-into GWX 3. (even 2.x) The limitation of the fix however was when the player saved and reloaded his games frequently. A certain number of days (which I can't remember unfortunately) must pass before the 'change weather' timer kicks in. If saved too soon the timer gets reset at the next reload. That's a SH3 bug, not GWX's fault.

And yeah, GWX is about as much realism as is possible. Boredom was the most performed past-time during the real thing aswel.

Oh yeah, in the end it ALLWAYS depends on what you did with the campaign file mods. I.E enabling the Black Sea mod or Indian Ocean mod has no point if you are only sailing around in the atlantic. If you did enable either of them (even if enabled after enabling the merged campaign mod) then the Atlantic is simply devoid of any traffic. Only enable the area where you are playing (atlantic is default ofcourse) or just enable the merged campaign if you started a patrol to transit to the other area. Not all of them at the same time.

GoldenRivet · 11-28-09, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Damo

Frankly, I find your post abhorrent

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Originally Posted by Damo

you're throwing dirt in the faces of those that spent hours upon hours of their free time to bring us this gem of a mod.

Couldnt agree more.

He came into this forum and made a post... not asking for help... not seeking information as to why he had this experience with a mod... not to make a helpful or thought provoking comment.

Only to bash a damn good mod for no apparent reason other than he was mad because he didnt have a 100,000 ton patrol

.

The weather in SH3 has sucked since release date, its a stock issue, not an issue with any mod least of all GWX and several people have tried to fix it, some more successfully than others.

with the weather fix that (may or may not have been a part of GWX i cannot recall) i have experienced a good mix of weather during patrols.

but basically what HMCS has done has come over to the SH3 forum, stuck his head in the door, and said "you suck"

that wouldnt be polite anywhere

Laufen zum Ziel · 11-28-09, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Couldnt agree more.

He came into this forum and made a post... not asking for help... not seeking information as to why he had this experience with a mod... not to make a helpful or thought provoking comment.

Only to bash a damn good mod for no apparent reason other than he was mad because he didnt have a 100,000 ton patrol

.

The weather in SH3 has sucked since release date, its a stock issue, not an issue with any mod least of all GWX and several people have tried to fix it, some more successfully than others.

with the weather fix that (may or may not have been a part of GWX i cannot recall) i have experienced a good mix of weather during patrols.

but basically what HMCS has done has come over to the SH3 forum, stuck his head in the door, and said "you suck"

that wouldnt be polite anywhere

SeaWolf U-57 · 11-28-09, 04:30 PM

This is what I was just about to post until the above post was made looks like Hitman knew what was coming.

I find this the most puzzling post in the whole thread. had the thread degraded in to a bad enough situation for a moderator to post this.
I'm not saying that it probably wont but at this time some good light-hearted and informative post are still being entered.
please let it run until the bad stuff starts.

jakethescot · 11-28-09, 04:38 PM

Some people aren't cut out for boring things. Several years ago, I flew Red Baron 3D on-line in a WW1 arena. We flew three nights a week, and I always volunteered for CAP missions. CAP stands for Combat Air Patrol. I would patrol a bridge, or supply depot, or some such, for hours at a time with nothing but my joystick and rudder pedals to keep me company. Sometimes you would see an enemy bomber or recon coming in and would get some action, but for the most part you just flew in a circle for a while, reversed course and flew the other way for a while. And I didn't mind at all.

Coming in to SH3, I figured if it was anything like looking for planes in the air, only with ships in the water, it would be boring more often than not, but that's OK with me. I love this game.

tomfon · 11-28-09, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Damo

Frankly, I find your post abhorrent and should be deleted because you've obviously not given the mod anywhere near a fair chance

I agree that HMCS made an unfortunate and naive comment. He exaggerates and obviously those who play GWX a long time know that he is wrong. I agree. Still, the fact that you find his post abhorrent is not and should never be a reason good enough for his post to be deleted.
People are free to express their opinion ; this should be the general case and not the 'openness' of a community to opinions which are unfortunate/wrong as you have described. If an opinion is wrong for a reason, we state that indeed it is wrong for this reason and thats enough. No need to grab the guy from the face.
Also, look at his post. Can't you see that its quite a careless remark?
Thanks.

SeaWolf U-57 · 11-28-09, 11:26 AM

Its a fair comment he finds it boring where as I like sneaking up to unsuspecting ships and convoys struggling along in bad weather its a little more difficult to get a hit but its more fun.
There are plenty more Mods to try that handle the weather differently so what have you got to lose try them all.
And then go back to SH4 and listen to the radio for days and days and days.

JU_88 · 11-28-09, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by tomfon

I agree that HMCS made an unfotunate and naive comment. He exaggerates and obviously those who play GWX a long time know that he is wrong. I agree. Still, the fact that you find his post abhorrent is not and should never be a reason good enough for his post to be deleted.
People are free to express their opinion ; this should be the general case and not the 'openness' of a community to opinions which are unfortunate/wrong as you have described. If an opinion is wrong for a reason, we state that indeed it is wrong for this reason and thats enough. No need to grab the guy from the face.
Also, look at his post. Can't you see that its quite a careless remark?
Thanks.

Agreed,

The guy is just just saying his peice, its nothing offensive
Everything in this life get critisized and you (we) just have to deal with it.
If it was his intention to 'hurt our feelings' (which I dont think it was) then he didnt do a very good job of it

tomfon · 11-28-09, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JU_88

The guy is just just saying his peice, its nothing offensive
Everything in this life get critisized and you (we) just have to deal with it.

I found none of the replies being offensive. Its the part of ''having the post deleted'' that makes me worry. Maybe Damo exaggerated in return? Hmm, i think so and in a way i hope so.

JU_88 · 11-28-09, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tomfon

I found none of the replies being offensive. Its the part of ''having the post deleted'' that makes me worry. Maybe Damo exaggerated in return? Hmm, i think so and in a way i hope so.

Sure, but but I meant a post must be 'offensive' in order to justify deletion - no?
Anyways....

tomfon · 11-28-09, 11:47 AM

Ah! I'm sorry i didn't understand your reply in the first place. Well... yeah, i agree. His reply isn't sthg that will make you hit the roof. We have a deal.

Rothwell white · 11-28-09, 11:48 AM

Each to his\her own i suppose. Would'nt do all of us like the same things

But i am loving GWX 3

Philipp_Thomsen · 11-28-09, 11:50 AM

This forums cant go a day without someone flaming someone or something.

You cant judge the book by the cover. Either you have the patience to read from cover to cover, or you just shut up about it.

I did play Dead Space for 5 minutes, and I uninstalled cos it wasnt my taste. But I didnt went to any forum to say the game was sh!t, cos obviously I didnt give the game enough time to prove me otherwise. And I didnt tell anyone "Dead Space is a dull game" cos I dont have enough knowledge about it just to go out spreading the news.

Either you like GWX 3.0 + SH3, or you dont. 99% of people like it, and I believe the other 1% didnt give it enough time, didnt have enough patience to go thru. And if you dont like simulations at all, you shouldnt be playing any of the Silent Hunter franchise, cos its not your beach. Guy like you only serve to influenciate UBI to turn the Silent Hunter franchise more and more a game, and less a simulation, like we have seen the last few years. SH3 was great, SH4 was a joke. And we say this, cos we care about the simulation aspect of the game more then anything, and we will use our teeth and claws to protect it. If SH5 turns out to be more arcade then SH4, the franchise will be dead for me, cos lets face it, we cant be playing SH3 for ever, we need something new.

Just keep your opinions to yourself.

11-28-09, 04:56 AM	#1
Damo Captain Join Date: May 2009 Location: Forever stuck in Data folder... Posts: 482 Downloads: 259 Uploads: 0	At the end of the day, GWX wasn't designed to please everyone, it was made with great attention to detail and historical fact and went waaaaay beyond what stock SH3 had to offer. They did this free, for us, and asked nothing in return and I for one am thankful. Now, there are two sides to gaming, the simulation side where things need to be as close to reality as possible, and there is pure gaming, where the action is fast and plentiful for a 'quick fix'. GWX is certainly not the latter, and yes you will spend a long time travelling around without seeing anything, as did the real Kaleuns, that's realism.... As far as the messages go, there are mods to fix them and the weather? Well until Ubi release the SDK there's nothing every modder on the planet can do. From your post, I'd guess you probably ramped up the TC quite a bit and if you'd have taken your time and looked, you'd have read that high TC can cause the weather to 'stick', so it's most probably your fault that you had such a bad experience. Try using no more than 128x and you should see the weather change. Frankly, I find your post abhorrent and should be deleted because you've obviously not given the mod anywhere near a fair chance and you're throwing dirt in the faces of those that spent hours upon hours of their free time to bring us this gem of a mod. Luckily for you, this community is very open to people's opinions and rarely lower themselves to derrogatory behaviour, but unless you've got A.D.D. I'd suggest you keep your opinions to yourself until you have given GWX a fair chance and you've looked around the forums for some answers to your issues, because it's certain that someone has posted about every one of them. Just look at my sig, I run ALL those mods alongside GWX and then some, there are more that wouldn't fit on the sig!! Everybody will need to flavor their game to taste, you are no different so get out there and do some reading. Alternatively, stick with SH4 and enjoy 'gaming'. __________________ The owl and the pussycat went to sea in a beautiful pea-green boat. It only took one T1 eel to convince that boat not to float.

11-28-09, 06:28 AM	#3
Pisces Silent Hunter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: AN9771 Posts: 4,904 Downloads: 304 Uploads: 0	First, whether you find anything depends on where you are looking. As in, what patrol location, in the middle of the atlantic, or nearer to land? Did you ever submerge to listen with your hydrophone in such bad weather? Did you look on the map often enough for 'silent' contact reports that appear. Convoys come with radio messages, but single units don't. Intercept them also! Did you keep your crew (including officer) on watch? And maximum TC values might even have caused your lonely days. High TC values increases the distance a unit moved before a 'vicinity' check is done. In a matter of speaking, it might have 'jumped over' your 3d -bubble, instead of inside of it. As for the weather, afaik the weather fix was allready built-into GWX 3. (even 2.x) The limitation of the fix however was when the player saved and reloaded his games frequently. A certain number of days (which I can't remember unfortunately) must pass before the 'change weather' timer kicks in. If saved too soon the timer gets reset at the next reload. That's a SH3 bug, not GWX's fault. And yeah, GWX is about as much realism as is possible. Boredom was the most performed past-time during the real thing aswel. Oh yeah, in the end it ALLWAYS depends on what you did with the campaign file mods. I.E enabling the Black Sea mod or Indian Ocean mod has no point if you are only sailing around in the atlantic. If you did enable either of them (even if enabled after enabling the merged campaign mod) then the Atlantic is simply devoid of any traffic. Only enable the area where you are playing (atlantic is default ofcourse) or just enable the merged campaign if you started a patrol to transit to the other area. Not all of them at the same time. __________________ My site downloads: https://ricojansen.nl/downloads Last edited by Pisces; 11-28-09 at 06:38 AM.

11-28-09, 04:38 PM	#7
jakethescot Engineer Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Fulton Missouri Posts: 205 Downloads: 904 Uploads: 0	Some people aren't cut out for boring things. Several years ago, I flew Red Baron 3D on-line in a WW1 arena. We flew three nights a week, and I always volunteered for CAP missions. CAP stands for Combat Air Patrol. I would patrol a bridge, or supply depot, or some such, for hours at a time with nothing but my joystick and rudder pedals to keep me company. Sometimes you would see an enemy bomber or recon coming in and would get some action, but for the most part you just flew in a circle for a while, reversed course and flew the other way for a while. And I didn't mind at all. Coming in to SH3, I figured if it was anything like looking for planes in the air, only with ships in the water, it would be boring more often than not, but that's OK with me. I love this game. __________________ COYW !!!

11-28-09, 11:26 AM	#9
SeaWolf U-57 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,231 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	Its a fair comment he finds it boring where as I like sneaking up to unsuspecting ships and convoys struggling along in bad weather its a little more difficult to get a hit but its more fun. There are plenty more Mods to try that handle the weather differently so what have you got to lose try them all. And then go back to SH4 and listen to the radio for days and days and days. Last edited by SeaWolf U-57; 11-28-09 at 11:46 AM.

11-28-09, 11:47 AM	#13
tomfon Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: CK7662 Posts: 918 Downloads: 178 Uploads: 4	Ah! I'm sorry i didn't understand your reply in the first place. Well... yeah, i agree. His reply isn't sthg that will make you hit the roof. We have a deal. __________________ "I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers which can't be questioned." - Richard P. Feynman [1918/1988] "I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed." - Michael Jordan Mods for SH3

11-28-09, 04:30 PM	#6
SeaWolf U-57 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,231 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	This is what I was just about to post until the above post was made looks like Hitman knew what was coming. I find this the most puzzling post in the whole thread. had the thread degraded in to a bad enough situation for a moderator to post this. I'm not saying that it probably wont but at this time some good light-hearted and informative post are still being entered. please let it run until the bad stuff starts.

11-28-09, 11:48 AM	#14
Rothwell white Gunner Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Leeds (England) Posts: 91 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	Each to his\her own i suppose. Would'nt do all of us like the same things But i am loving GWX 3

11-28-09, 11:50 AM	#15
Philipp_Thomsen Old Gang Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Drunk at the whorehouse Posts: 2,278 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	This forums cant go a day without someone flaming someone or something. You cant judge the book by the cover. Either you have the patience to read from cover to cover, or you just shut up about it. I did play Dead Space for 5 minutes, and I uninstalled cos it wasnt my taste. But I didnt went to any forum to say the game was sh!t, cos obviously I didnt give the game enough time to prove me otherwise. And I didnt tell anyone "Dead Space is a dull game" cos I dont have enough knowledge about it just to go out spreading the news. Either you like GWX 3.0 + SH3, or you dont. 99% of people like it, and I believe the other 1% didnt give it enough time, didnt have enough patience to go thru. And if you dont like simulations at all, you shouldnt be playing any of the Silent Hunter franchise, cos its not your beach. Guy like you only serve to influenciate UBI to turn the Silent Hunter franchise more and more a game, and less a simulation, like we have seen the last few years. SH3 was great, SH4 was a joke. And we say this, cos we care about the simulation aspect of the game more then anything, and we will use our teeth and claws to protect it. If SH5 turns out to be more arcade then SH4, the franchise will be dead for me, cos lets face it, we cant be playing SH3 for ever, we need something new. Just keep your opinions to yourself. __________________ To each his own