They want to see Buckingham Palace become a mosque

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Originally Posted by JU_88

Sure, but the same can be said for half the imigrants in western countries.

No, it cannot. We have very very less problems with immigrants from non-Muslim countries. I often said that. Even those groups that have somewhat a history to form some kind on insider-only societies (Chinatowns ) nevertheless usually try to establish good relations and open contact to their hosting nation. eurppean immigrants are not our problem. Nothamericans are not the porblem. not Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans. Not Southamericans. In the sopecial case of Jews, they have totally sunk into our societies and molten with them again, and before the war even were the motor of blossoming in European matropoles, like Berlin.

whenever I see reports on troubles, read sociometric data about crisis in ethnic subcommunities, chances are EXTREMELY high that it involves Turks, Albanians, Pakistani, Algerians, Moroccans, Saudis.

No other immigration groups demand so noisily so wide reaching special rights and special recogntiion and claim the role of being victims of racism so readily, like muslim immigration groups. No other immigration groupos for siloated sub-cultures and parallel societies so systemtically, like uslim immigrants. no other immigration group actively and willingly refuses to integrate itself, like muslim groups often do. we have seen that even porven in reaserach statistics by university seeveral times in theb past 3-4 years. I linked I think 2 British studies showing that in the past 4 years, and just days ago the third or 4th of such a study in the past 3-4 years has been released in Germany. that is basing not on single individuals only, but on groups. the group forms the rule. The individual may present the exception from the rule - or not.

and another insight that gets statistically boosted since some time: that assuming we would fund our shaking social system in europe by importing immigrants, can already be shown by numbers black on white to be a self-deception. Becasue most immigrants fromMuslim countries are not well-trained members of specialised labour branches, with educated social backgrounds in their families. Instead, most are poor, uneducated members of social low class, while Muslim managers and entrpreneurs are the total exception from the rule. Statistics show that from the social low class we allow in en masse, only very very few manage to raise in social status and education. Mayn even actively resist that. The conclusion is that all in all we do not gain wins but that it puts additional stress on our social systems that we do not select more carefully whom we let in and whom we sent back, and that the assumption the presence of unselected imigration would secure our social safety fopr our aging socieites - is an urban myth. again: most immigration from Muslim coutnries is not the social middle class or upper class, but most is lower class, poor, unedcuated, ressisting to integration, and with very very bad chnaces to ever make a social raise.

I knew some Asiens in earlier years, at university, and afterwards. Most were students, but some were immigrants from Japan and china. The contrast to Muslim immigration in general - could not be any clearer.

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

You should spend less time reading reports and more time in the real world with your eyes open.

You believe you know me and my information background quite well, eh? I have had my share of experiences with staying in Muslim countries, and for not just summertime holidays you know. Some of my former colleagues are social workers in Frankfurt and Berlin, I still get insider feedback from them. I have read a whole lot of literature on the issues with Islami immigrant groups, and I have had my share of private experience with Islam and Muslims in Germany as well. Some experiences were pleasant if I met the right indioviudual. Most were not. The death threats I received in written mail two years ago probbaly were the most unpleasant of them all.

You you dated a girl and met her family for one year. I don't know how often somebody todl me ont his board that he knows that guy living in the room at the end of the floor and that is usually os very kind. Sorry dude, I think my persective exceeds yours by far.

I think you people always thinking and assuming just the best about Islamic ideology withouit ever having studied it in detail, and assuming any motives of immigrants to be only the most noble, really have tunnel-eyed views in order to exclude any perspective AND FACT that does not match your desired peace-no-matter-the-cost attitude. and when this leads as far that even the findings of sociological research gets refused for illustrating not the truth that you want to see proven, then it really becomes absurd.

In the end, you will get the messy outcome that you wanted, and deserve.