[REL] German sub school

[Starforce2]

Why not lol? Doubt I've been here long enough to make any enemies.

[Turbografx]

"Starforce" is an incredibly annoying and frankly, useless, copy protection system.

[Starforce2]

oh yea..I forgot about that. I can't promise not to be extremely annoying, and I can be fairly useless a times, but I wont stop you from cloning your cat.

[Rockin Robbins]

You know, it's very interesting. Starforce is here hawking another website. He is allowed by Subsim policy to do this, as the water is warm and Subsim doesn't need to fear any competition.

But you get over to Starforce's site and what do you find? If you so much as mention Subsim, your post gets deleted! Hell, seems fair to me! NOT. That's predatory. Good thing I'm not a moderator here or there would be an ultimatum delivered here. You keep a level playing field or take your ball and go home. You depend on being a parasite to Subsim and Ubi Forums for anyone at all to know about your site. They don't depend on you or care if you even exist. Yet you trample on them as if they threaten your existence. Your arrogance is astounding and were I king of the world, it wouldn't be tolerated.

If I were King of the Forest, Not queen, not duke, not prince.
My regal robes of the forest, would be satin, not cotton, not chintz.
I'd command each thing, be it fish or fowl.
With a woof and a woof and a royal growl - woof.
As I'd click my heel, all the trees would kneel.
And the mountains bow and the bulls kowtow.
And the sparrow would take wing - If I - If I - were King!
Each rabbit would show respect to me. The chipmunks genuflect to me.
Though my tail would lash, I would show compash
For every underling!
If I - If I - were King!
Just King!
Monarch of all I survey -- Mo--na-a-a--a-arch Of all I survey!

Aren't you glad I'm not?

[Starforce2]

you attack me here and at ubi with your lies. I quote the head admin of gamming forums:

As long as it's not a site such as fileplanet or fileshack or other mainstream file downloading sites that are direct competitors to FileFront, they are allowed to have it in their signatures. I changed that whole non-advertising rule when I closed down the advertising forums.

So yes, if it's a community site, their mod site or other similar type of site they are most certainly allowed to have it in their signatures here.

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your words:
"But you get over to Starforce's site and what do you find? If you so much as mention Subsim"

Lies.
http://silenthunter.filefront.com/links/
The above is for you, by you. Notice the "add link" at the top. If you know a site I don't know about, post it!

I don't know what your problem with me is..but I am trying to help this community. People complain about user files getting deleted, obviously when BTS mods died it was a loss to the community, however it was before I was part of it, none the less, all websites can fail or require downtime, subject to hacking ect. Having multiple hosts is beneficial. I realise filefront hasn't been exactly a gold star of service and warm fuzzyness of late..I'm a long time vetran of BCfiles.com and I feel it too, I've put alot of hard work into making that site a pillar of the community, the fact that a 10 year old game is still so heavily modded by individuals paramount would be foolish to not hire is a testiment to what it's become, and I hope I can do the same for you. I've got no skills as modeler, or a modder, aside from some simple missions fourth comming (whoopeee) so I give back where I can.

Now I ask you...kindly stop attacking me..you have no basis for your arguements and I have no desire to fight you.

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by Starforce2

you attack me here and at ubi with your lies.

Originally Posted by http://silenthunter.filefront.com/

1. Please do not advertise for other sites or forums here.
2. Maximum of 3 smileys per regular member.

The high interactivity of this site should be considered a luxury, not a right. If you cannot follow these simple rules, you can and will be warned or banned from the comments, site or the entire network for any period of time.
Now enjoy yourself and behave!

Reads pretty clearly to me. I quoted the rule. Why do you put up a smokescreen? Why are you afraid to play fair? What advantage does it give you to deny the right to post mentioning Subsim? Why do you call me a liar when I reproduced your rule from your own website? Why do you conclude I have a personal dislike of you? Why would the exact behavior you feel free to engage in here and at Ubi Forums result in warning or banishment from your forum?

Unless you can establish that I made the rule up and it does not exist on your site, you are wrong in calling me a liar and in violation of Subsim rules against personal abuse. I see your accusation and call. Let's see the cards. Eliminate or clarify the rule.

[Starforce2]

I am not wrong..you boasted we made no mention of subsim or other sites, which is untrue. Atleast the ones I personaly know are there, there are probably more out there I don't know about. You also did not make it clear you were refering to file comments (instead of the forums, as I thought) since you seemed to be taking issues with either the ad in my sig or the fact that I am using it to host my mods. If you want to talk name calling and personal attacks, you called me a parasite..but I'll overlook that...since I've been called worse by little children on my school bus route. Oddly enough, the proper defenition of a parasite is something that lives off of a host. The purpose of the silent hunter site is to provide a service to, not leech off of, the community. It is up to each file owner to decide to host with us, and they retain the rights to their files.

But let me first start by saying that comment policies are standard network wide rules, this means all gaming sites, not just silent hunter. No one is singeling out this community. These rules have worked with no detriment to the community in bridge commander since I took over in 2002, so over 7 years, and for bridge commander it's gamming site is far more important and relied upon for more heavily than here, since it is basicly the only host, so if they can handle it, I'm sure you can too.

File comments are not, however, forums. They are treated as threads, where the subject is the mod posted above, thus "hey visit my site" posts are generaly off topic spam. For instace, if FOTRS came over to subsim and started a thread about a new version of their mod, you wouldn't reply to that thread with an offtopic post about your website. You might ask them permission to host their mod, but generaly posting just to advertise would be rude..sorta like conyay west interrupting taylor swift about beyonce's video, or turning a certain german sub school release thread into a circus...in 2 forums.. Unlike a forum, where there is a general topic (modding), which would include the need for discussing some kind of mod hosting solution at some point, the topic of the comments at the filefront sites are determined by whatever poll, mod, picture of the day, news item, they are posted under. so if you are commenting under the FOTRS mod, you'd better be talking about the FOTRS mod, not your own site, or your own mod.

Now, there's always going to be special cases. For example, maybe FOTRS has decided to request beta testers, so one of the team comes over to my site and posts under their mod a link to their forum and asking for beta testers and bug reports (though TBH, a promenently featured news item would suit this better) or perhaps someone was getting a horrible connection with filefront to download their mod, and someone posted a link to Bts or subsim so they could try that download instead (hey..we want them to be able to get the file..) and the player leaves happy, which is the goal.

Plus, there are 2 other obvious reason not to allow comments to be used to advertise:
1) We have a dedicated page, linked on the left side of the main screen, to advertise links. Comment posts are seen by alot of people only so long as said mod is popular/hot/new. The links page is visited constantly, any time people want to know whats out there, it's all in one spot.
2) We have a discussion forum, also linked on the left side menu, which includes a forum for modding and one for clans, if you have a clan site, you should post there.


Now, I understand not everyone is going to like us. If you're going to be one of the ones that don't, fine. But there's really no need to publicly bad-mouth someone or some entity that's trying to help. It's childish at best. At worst, it hurts the growth of a community more than you think you're helping it.

I'm asking you one last time...knock it off. I coulda made a mission in the time and effort I spent on your crap. Which do you think I'd rather be doing?