Hacked Emails Show Climate Science Ridden with Rancor

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

Unfortunately Sky's evaluation pretty much matches my own conclusions on the subjects involved. I have also thought extensively about this stuff and done plenty of my own research into it, and made my own observations.

I am also deeply concerned about the future, so much so that I am very reluctant to have kids, as I would not want them to experience what I fear is coming. I also suspect things will go really wrong during my own lifetime.

Neon, do you carry a sign that shows, "The End Is Near" painted on it? I liken your comment on not having kids to Skybirds comment to me about being overly protective of my kids in a long lost thread months ago. I was point blank told I was way over protective of my girls. You're not wanting kids for the fear of something happening surpasses the borderline lunatic as I was portrayed by not only Skybird but serval others in the thread. Perhaps you should stop and think that it might be one of your children that becomes the person who develops the answers to all the questions concerning global warming! Think about past history and what if prominent figures of our time had parents that did not want a child because of what MIGHT happen. Sure, perhaps only one in a billion really make a difference. Could be your child as the one! You never know. I do not think I would deprive myself of child and all the wonderful things that child rearing entails over a possibility that something might happen.

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Neon, do you carry a sign that shows, "The End Is Near" painted on it?

Only on weekends and usualy in a sad clown suit

You're not wanting kids for the fear of something happening surpasses the borderline lunatic as I was portrayed by not only Skybird but serval others in the thread.

Hmm yes I must be crazy, I don't want to bring more children into an already overpopulated world. I am quite convinced that we are heading towards a period of major conflict, strife, and trouble for many different reasons. I do not want to bring children into that world as I would not want my children to suffer for it. It is also not something I take lightly at all.

Perhaps you should stop and think that it might be one of your children that becomes the person who develops the answers to all the questions concerning global warming!

Global warming is only a part of the greater whole that greatly worries me. Also there is no miracle cure to the situation.

Think about past history and what if prominent figures of our time had parents that did not want a child because of what MIGHT happen. Sure, perhaps only one in a billion really make a difference. Could be your child as the one! You never know.

I doubt it works like that, also I suspect knowing human nature, that we have already passed the tipping point overall. That by the time most of the population sees the problems, that it will be far too late to recover.

I do not think I would deprive myself of child and all the wonderful things that child rearing entails over a possibility that something might happen.

Like I said its not a decision I make lightly. I would love children, and may even adopt some at some point if I do not have any. But my predictions as to what is coming are very grim. Bluntly I believe we are heading towards a period of mass extinction which will most likely take our species out with it. I wish it was not the case, but that is the picture I formed rationaly from all I have taken in.


Anyhow back on topic, people like to talk about all the money invested into the green movement. That these people have a stake in global warming and thus have reason to fake the data. Well what about the other side of the coin? If global warming is real and we are the ones resposible then its going to cost most corporations in the world massive sums of money to try to fix it. These money men have plenty of reason to try to suppress, distort, deny, and fabricate evidence for or against it. They also have far more resources available to counter it then the green movement, and will have plenty of scientists of their own to flood the scientific community with junk research.

I've read a lot of the stuff from both sides of the debate. The problem I have with a lot of the contrary material is much of it is pseudo scientific. Like as in the creation vs evolution thread here they are selectivly picking a few things which supports their argument and ignoring everything that disproves it. Good science takes everything into account, proof and disproof and weighs them together. There is also a ton of bad science floating around right now clouding and poluting the issue. Not because it disagrees with the widly held view in the scientific community, but because a lot of it is fraudulent, or pseudo/un scientific.


As for that article you posted AVG, I haven't read it in full yet, but from the quick skimming of it I wasn't too impressed so far. But I'll leave real comment on it until I have read it in full and checked the supporting documentation. I will say though that I do not trust that site one bit as they have a very obvious and strong bias and agenda of their own. I do wonder though what organization is behind that site, as it raised a lot of red flags automaticly for me.

[AVGWarhawk]

As for that article you posted AVG, I haven't read it in full yet, but from the quick skimming of it I wasn't too impressed so far. But I'll leave real comment on it until I have read it in full and checked the supporting documentation. I will say though that I do not trust that site one bit as they have a very obvious and strong bias and agenda of their own. I do wonder though what organization is behind that site, as it raised a lot of red flags automaticly for me.

Sadly we can say that most sites are strongly skewed to their views. There are plenty of sites that are obvious and have a strong bias. Read the 27 page report. There are some interesting things in there.

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Sadly we can say that most sites are strongly skewed to their views. There are plenty of sites that are obvious and have a strong bias. Read the 27 page report. There are some interesting things in there.

That's why I avoid all of those sites and try to look at the research itself only. I may not fully comprehend it all, but I know enough about research methodology to try to spot flaws, problems, manipulation and deception in the research. I automatically discard opinion stuff as it is always biased, and would normally discard that article for just that reason.

A further comment I would like to make is, yes I believe we are heading into very troubled times. But I have no motivations to want to believe it, in fact I would argue the exact opposite, that I have far more to motivate me not to want to believe any of it. It is so much easier to believe that their isn't a problem. I am not biased towards believing it, I am actually biased towards not wanting to, as most people would be.

[AVGWarhawk]

A further comment I would like to make is, yes I believe we are heading into very troubled times. But I have no motivations to want to believe it, in fact I would argue the exact opposite, that I have far more to motivate me not to want to believe any of it. It is so much easier to believe that their isn't a problem. I am not biased towards believing it, I am actually biased towards not wanting to, as most people would be.

I often wonder what the world would be like if WW2 never occured. What if the millions that died lived? Where would the world be. I truly believe our resources (land to grow food) will be our undoing. You touched on overpopulation. We are getting there and in some countries they are there. I can respect your decision for not wanting children but I respect you more for considering adopting a child instead. I have a Korean adopted sister and a Korean adopted nephew. I could not imagine what my life would have been not growing up with my adopted sister. She is 4 months and 11 days younger than me.

[AVGWarhawk]

The mythical story spreads and does not to look to be so mythical after all:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...lobal-cooling/

Wether these emails right, wrong, cherry picked or not, it sure does make some people wake up and start questioning.