Hacked Emails Show Climate Science Ridden with Rancor

[AVGWarhawk]

Hacked emails? Be leery of them? Sort of like the Nixon tapes?

[Skybird]

One should not overestimate this cyber-attack regarding "global warming all a fake". As a NASA climate specialist put it (retranslated from the German translation). "Science does not work becasue we all are so nice guys. Newton may have been an ar##e, but his gravitation laws still function until today."

There is an agenda behind the plan to attack and hack these mails. It is further islluzstrated that the maisl have been posted on several climate sceptics websites. Some, maybe much - who knows - of the material may be misunderstood vby beeing communication that is not shown in the context of the discussion between the sender and the recipient.

and certainly it is that climate research sees the same ammount of prestige-hungry egos craving for fame and recognition,l not to mention posts and incomes, and thus being vulnerable to corruption, like oyu see it in any other scientific branch as well.

The point is: even although currently climate temperatures are in a plateau phase (a plateau is a temporary phase of variables no longer shpowing significant chnages), and these mails have been hacked, there is overwhelming evidence that temperatures have been climbed dramatically since the beginning of the industrial age, that this cannot be explained by natural fluctuations linked to sun activity as the decisive variable, and that the world we live in undergoes dramatic chnages now and in the forseeable future.

One must close both eyes when leaving the house not to see that.

That this coup is revealed short before the - already failed anyway - climate summit in Copenhagen also says something.

German: http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/n...662673,00.html

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

I think he's referring to this thread about the hacked e-mails posted Friday.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=158430

Yeah, I see. It would help if people would make posts with halfway relevant titles

What in the world....

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Hacked emails? Be leery of them? Sort of like the Nixon tapes?

The Nixon tapes were handed over voluntarily. These emails were stolen. Who knows what happened to them between the time they were hacked and their appearance on the web.

[Stealth Hunter]

Who exactly are these hackers, anyway? A lot of suspicious, unanswered questions about this whole deal...

[baggygreen]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Yeah, I see. It would help if people would make posts with halfway relevant titles

guilty

i was somewhat shocked at the content, be it real or fake, so you'll hvae to forgive my terrible titleing!

[August]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

The Nixon tapes were handed over voluntarily. These emails were stolen. Who knows what happened to them between the time they were hacked and their appearance on the web.

Again, nobody, including the originators of the messages, are claiming they've been altered in any way.

[NeonSamurai]

Don't see why they would as the source is not legitimate. Also how would they prove otherwise? Best action frankly is to ignore it.

Anyhow needless to say given the source I am dubious of their validity and authenticity. Even if they are legit and unaltered which I doubt, they probably have been "cherry picked".

[August]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

Don't see why they would as the source is not legitimate. Also how would they prove otherwise? Best action frankly is to ignore it.

Anyhow needless to say given the source I am dubious of their validity and authenticity. Even if they are legit and unaltered which I doubt, they probably have been "cherry picked".

They don't have to prove diddly. All they have to say is these emails have been altered, made up, conjured out of thin air. Let the hackers try to prove their authenticity.

Their ignoring it in this case tells me the messages are not only authentic but an accurate view of the situation.

[Fincuan]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

Even if they are legit and unaltered which I doubt, they probably have been "cherry picked".

That was precisely what a couple of scientists here said when a paper asked them to take a look at the messages. They thought the messages were authentic, but that the quotes floating around are a small part of normal correspondance, which just looks suspicious when taken out of context.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Fincuan

That was precisely what a couple of scientists here said when a paper asked them to take a look at the messages. They thought the messages were authentic, but that the quotes floating around are a small part of normal correspondance, which just looks suspicious when taken out of context.

Same here. For example the blown-up "big" story of somebody telling somebody else he found out the "trick". It is not a cheat, he meant, but it simply is jargon insiders of the profession often use. "Trick" means not how to manipulate and get a certain wanted result, it simply means: the solution to a technical or scientific problem.

Scepticists already have played extremely dirty before, have misquoted sources, distorted data, have simply lied, and have mislead established scientists with faked petitions and have founded fake pseudo-"science" institutions that just raised claims and sold them as scientific material wehre indeed they just were selling propaganda. And it seems they are turning desperate if needing stunts like this. But the truth probably is that it simply is what thois forum has seen a lot in the past two: quoting out of context, and wrongly translating insider'S slang.

Look at what happens in the world, that is all you need these days in order to know that very dramatic chnages are going on. many consequences of man's activity on Earth are already so very obvious, also in the climatic field, that you really do no longer need just another scientific research project, after having had hundreds and thousands of them. The business-as-usual-lobby just wants to buy time by claiming "more research" is needed". In quite some areas, research on specific details and problems is needed indeed - but not on the fact itself that Global Warming and climate change are a real trend, and that human'S are the major variable contributing to it, and that the oceans have warmed up and become more acid and that species follow shifting climate zones into new places they had not been lived in befdore where in other places they flee from changed conditions.

etc.

etc.

etc.

etc.

Most sceptics are not really interested in more research. All they want is to stick to the same old ways and living styles that they never want to change, collecting more short-sighted immediate profits from the old business models and thinking it would ever be like this. A suicide's regressive hallucination about the garden Eden.

[AVGWarhawk]

Just for craps and giggles let's take the emails at face value. So the media dropped a few lines here and there from the emails. Makes the story valid to the media outlet using just a few sentences here and there. Looks to be a cherry pick to us in that respect. However, if the emails in full context state that this is all BS how are we to know until we see said emails?

Here is the biggest question...What if the emails are authentic, not cherry picked and really dispells the warming theory?

I'm guessing a lot of people are out of work.

[Skybird]

We base on that assumption of yours - once it has been demonstrated to be like you assume. Until then, it is just claims by "them" and assumptions by you, and we better base on the experience we have made with the scepticists' campaigns in the past.

In the end, the dogmatists will die out sooner or later. But with the consequences of global warming we will need to deal with no matter we "believe" in it or not. Global warming does not ask us for permission, it seems.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Skybird

We base on that assumption of yours - once it has been demonstrated to be like you assume. Until then, it is just claims by "them" and assumptions by you, and we better base on the experience we have made with the scepticists' campaigns in the past.

In the end, the dogmatists will die out sooner or later. But with the consequences of global warming we will need to deal with no matter we "believe" in it or not. Global warming does not ask us for permission, it seems.

What warming? I was told it was cooling. Just another big lie? Just a fabrication? Just a self fulfilling prophecy? I would venture to guess both you and I will never find out in your and my lifetime. Big money has been invested in global warming. People have staked their careers on this occurance, real or imagined. If anyone is known as a forward leading authority on global warming certianly will not like egg on the face if in fact this leading authority is WRONG! There perhaps is a motive to hide such emails as a result? Well, sure. Maybe Al Gore is the inconvienent truth! No no! It has been drilled into us for so long it all must be true. We are going to fry on our own planet! I know this because a retired VP for the US told me so.