Deceased Crew Members / How will crew deaths be simulated? (threads merged)

Reece · 11-18-09, 01:34 AM

You are correct Ducimus, it's the same with movies, in the old days the eye candy was poor but the stories were great, nowadays the eye candy is excellent but the stories are generally crap, I definitely prefer the story (functionality) over eye candy,

now if they could make both excellent ... as the Fonz would say ... Heyyy!!

karamazovnew · 11-18-09, 02:05 AM

How can you call dead bodies in the freezer "eye-candy"?!! But the original question is not without merit (altough Dulcimus thinks otherwise). What happens to a dead crew, does his model simply dissapear? Do other crew members drag him somewhere else? And what about the injured? Can crew die while the medic tries to operate them? And what about the medic? does he run from injured to injured? Does he triage? Does he go personally to atend to incapacitated crew? This isn't eye candy, it's an issue that was created by the whole FPS camera thing. The devs must deal with such issues. And if there is a body somewhere, even if for just a few hours, it's normal they should think about where the poor fellow should be put. And let's face it, throwing him along with oil and debris out of an empty torpedo tube (although bad for morale) would be a good tactic in the first part of the war.

JScones · 11-18-09, 03:49 AM

In all my SH3 playing days I have only ever had all dead or none dead, never some dead.

Now while I find this whole concept about priority #20, karamazovnew does raise some valid points. Recognising FPS for what they are, when someone gets shot "you" can usually patch them up. Quite arcadish (run over to injured man, press A, followed by X, followed by Y and voila!), but nonetheless possible.

So if I cop critical damage and choose to go for a look-see, what will I find? Will there be a bloodied body there waiting for me to drag him, or at least order another crewman to drag him, or will the game automatically take care of him, waiting only for me to give the "dispatch" order? This is a conundrum that the devs have created. They may not have even thought about it to this level.

And another thing, not all U-boats had qualified medical staff, at least beyond first aid. Injured crew tended to be dropped off at a milk cow docking, as the milk cow usually had higher skilled medicos. This adds another element of complexity to the whole idea. We know SH5 has milk cows, but will it also allow you to offload injured or sick crew?

Again, not stuff I personally care about, but as the devs have chosen to go down this path...

Reece · 11-18-09, 06:41 AM

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In all my SH3 playing days I have only ever had all dead or none dead, never some dead.

In SH3 Haven't you ever been shot at by aircraft and one or more on the conning tower men are killed, they show up dead (red) in the crew screen, right click on them and you have the option to bury them at sea.

Ilpalazzo · 11-18-09, 07:48 AM

There were times where I left dead guys on the boat because I thought they were injured.

I'm not expecting a whole lot from the animations or anything. I wouldn't be surprised if the dead just disappeared. If there is a medic that does anything I'll bet you'd only ever see him bandaging the same guy over and over.

Here's another idea; Soylent Soup. The delicious taste would raise morale.

Reece · 11-18-09, 08:44 AM

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Here's another idea; Soylent Soup. The delicious taste would raise morale.

Not me, would just make me go green!!

Excuse me while I pewk!!

oscar19681 · 11-18-09, 09:36 AM

I wonder why you couldnt bury a dead crew member at sea in sh-4 . I thought it was realistic in sh-3

mookiemookie · 11-18-09, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by karamazovnew

How can you call dead bodies in the freezer "eye-candy"?!!

Because it's getting bogged down in minutiae that doesn't serve any real purpose. If the crewmember is dead, he's dead. Click him and choose the bury at sea option. That's it. Done, finished, over. If you want to get really slick with it, splice in a little cut scene of a shrouded body being slid over the side. In my opinion, it's stupid to waste time and effort doing anything else.

Alex · 11-18-09, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

it's stupid to waste time and effort doing anything else.

I agree.

FIREWALL · 11-18-09, 11:31 AM

In the few books I have that mention a death while on patrol.

They were buried at sea.

The only circumstance different was while leaving port and attacked by planes they and boat turned around and returned to port with dead.

I think SH-3 had it right. Keep it simple. Toss em over the side.

Ducimus · 11-18-09, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Reece

You are correct Ducimus, it's the same with movies, in the old days the eye candy was poor but the stories were great, nowadays the eye candy is excellent but the stories are generally crap, I definitely prefer the story (functionality) over eye candy,

now if they could make both excellent ... as the Fonz would say ... Heyyy!!

I do believe eyecandy has its place, but functionality should always be held in greater priority over eyecandy. The instant eyecandy meets or exceeds the priority value or development time of functionality, what we'll probably end up with, is a Micheal Bay 'splosions version of a submarine game.

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Because it's getting bogged down in minutiae that doesn't serve any real purpose. If the crewmember is dead, he's dead. Click him and choose the bury at sea option. That's it. Done, finished, over. If you want to get really slick with it, splice in a little cut scene of a shrouded body being slid over the side. In my opinion, it's stupid to waste time and effort doing anything else.

Exactly!

Sailor Steve · 11-18-09, 02:40 PM

Real life experience: While I was a radioman on a destroyer in Vietnam, we regularly did fire-support for the marines. In one instance they had two killed and one wounded, and asked us to transport them to Da Nang for proper disposal. For three days and two nights we had two body bags in one of our reefers. For hygenic reasons we took all the food out of that reefer and jammed it into the other one. I was serving my month as a mess cook (waiter and busboy) at that time. We never had to go near that reefer, but it was still spooky and creepy. I certainly wouldn't want uncooled bodies anywhere on my boat.

FIREWALL · 12-07-09, 11:41 AM

[quote=FIREWALL;1205274]In the few books I have that mention a death while on patrol.

They were buried at sea.

The only circumstance different was while leaving port and attacked by planes they and boat turned around and returned to port with dead.

I think SH-3 had it right. Keep it simple. Toss em over the side.

[/quot

Is this horse still being beaten to death ?

Ubisoft is not going to put a detailed death in a video game.

It's called A SALES KILLER.

It's always the same everytime it gets close to release date.

The Posts get stupid and more lame.

11-18-09, 01:34 AM	#1
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,738 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	You are correct Ducimus, it's the same with movies, in the old days the eye candy was poor but the stories were great, nowadays the eye candy is excellent but the stories are generally crap, I definitely prefer the story (functionality) over eye candy, now if they could make both excellent ... as the Fonz would say ... Heyyy!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

11-18-09, 09:36 AM	#7
oscar19681 Admiral Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 2,020 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	I wonder why you couldnt bury a dead crew member at sea in sh-4 . I thought it was realistic in sh-3 __________________ we live we die but death does not ends it. Jim Morrison 1943-1971

11-18-09, 11:31 AM	#10
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	In the few books I have that mention a death while on patrol. They were buried at sea. The only circumstance different was while leaving port and attacked by planes they and boat turned around and returned to port with dead. I think SH-3 had it right. Keep it simple. Toss em over the side. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

11-18-09, 02:40 PM	#12
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Real life experience: While I was a radioman on a destroyer in Vietnam, we regularly did fire-support for the marines. In one instance they had two killed and one wounded, and asked us to transport them to Da Nang for proper disposal. For three days and two nights we had two body bags in one of our reefers. For hygenic reasons we took all the food out of that reefer and jammed it into the other one. I was serving my month as a mess cook (waiter and busboy) at that time. We never had to go near that reefer, but it was still spooky and creepy. I certainly wouldn't want uncooled bodies anywhere on my boat. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-07-09, 11:41 AM	#13
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	[quote=FIREWALL;1205274]In the few books I have that mention a death while on patrol. They were buried at sea. The only circumstance different was while leaving port and attacked by planes they and boat turned around and returned to port with dead. I think SH-3 had it right. Keep it simple. Toss em over the side. [/quot Is this horse still being beaten to death ? Ubisoft is not going to put a detailed death in a video game. It's called A SALES KILLER. It's always the same everytime it gets close to release date. The Posts get stupid and more lame. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

11-18-09, 02:05 AM	#2
karamazovnew The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,403 Downloads: 151 Uploads: 0	How can you call dead bodies in the freezer "eye-candy"?!! But the original question is not without merit (altough Dulcimus thinks otherwise). What happens to a dead crew, does his model simply dissapear? Do other crew members drag him somewhere else? And what about the injured? Can crew die while the medic tries to operate them? And what about the medic? does he run from injured to injured? Does he triage? Does he go personally to atend to incapacitated crew? This isn't eye candy, it's an issue that was created by the whole FPS camera thing. The devs must deal with such issues. And if there is a body somewhere, even if for just a few hours, it's normal they should think about where the poor fellow should be put. And let's face it, throwing him along with oil and debris out of an empty torpedo tube (although bad for morale) would be a good tactic in the first part of the war.

11-18-09, 03:49 AM	#3
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	In all my SH3 playing days I have only ever had all dead or none dead, never some dead. Now while I find this whole concept about priority #20, karamazovnew does raise some valid points. Recognising FPS for what they are, when someone gets shot "you" can usually patch them up. Quite arcadish (run over to injured man, press A, followed by X, followed by Y and voila!), but nonetheless possible. So if I cop critical damage and choose to go for a look-see, what will I find? Will there be a bloodied body there waiting for me to drag him, or at least order another crewman to drag him, or will the game automatically take care of him, waiting only for me to give the "dispatch" order? This is a conundrum that the devs have created. They may not have even thought about it to this level. And another thing, not all U-boats had qualified medical staff, at least beyond first aid. Injured crew tended to be dropped off at a milk cow docking, as the milk cow usually had higher skilled medicos. This adds another element of complexity to the whole idea. We know SH5 has milk cows, but will it also allow you to offload injured or sick crew? Again, not stuff I personally care about, but as the devs have chosen to go down this path...

11-18-09, 07:48 AM	#5
Ilpalazzo Frogman Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 309 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	There were times where I left dead guys on the boat because I thought they were injured. I'm not expecting a whole lot from the animations or anything. I wouldn't be surprised if the dead just disappeared. If there is a medic that does anything I'll bet you'd only ever see him bandaging the same guy over and over. Here's another idea; Soylent Soup. The delicious taste would raise morale.