The Tigers Lair

Admiral Von Gerlach · 11-06-09, 11:16 AM

I found this nice picture of the main sub base at Pearl as i was doing research, nice to see where the fleet took off from and came home to....

be nice if they used these for some really good detail in SHV

Rockin Robbins · 11-06-09, 12:28 PM

Somebody was, but it was one of those mods full of sound and fury, signifying nothing...

I don't think it's possible to appreciate how difficult such a mod is to make unless you try it. If I remember right, this guy got about halfway through. We're too hard on modders that tackle a huge project, find out they have swam halfway across the Atlantic and don't think they can make it. So they sometimes swim back!

I belong to the Ducimus school of eyecandy. If it doesn't help the game, a beautiful target you might see once in a career, if it slows down game execution, then eyecandy be damned!

But Pearl Harbor in that kind of detail wouldn't be useless eyecandy. It would set the mood for the entire game and be seen by everyone using it as a base every time they played. Can you imagine starting out a cruise in early 1942 in Pearl, surrounded by sunken hulks of formerly proud ships of the US Navy reminding you of why you were here? Pearl Harbor would be a priceless addition to SH4.

11-06-09, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Admiral Von Gerlach

be nice if they used these for some really good detail in SHV

/agree

The land-based graphics in the SH series have always been pretty crude, hope they give those some more attention this time out.

Admiral Von Gerlach · 11-06-09, 12:50 PM

I agree RR, it is a LOT OF work to make it in a mod, which is why i was hoping the developers with their staff and budget could tackle it, it woulld really really enhance things so much. The immersion would be tremendous. True, a naval sim is mostly about being at sea, but the departure, and for the lucky ones, the return is such a special part of it all.

and we really should include this shot:

Torplexed · 11-06-09, 10:30 PM

I remember when SH4 was still in development a lot of people were hoping the December 7th attack itself would be included so you could try your hand at knocking down a few of those low flying Kates, Vals and Zeros with your AA guns when starting from Pearl as well as watching the attack unfold. Once we were told the game would start on December 8th everyone knew it wasn't to be.

WarlordATF · 11-06-09, 11:37 PM

Good Pics! This map shows what was moored where on the morning of the attack. The default game shows the wrecks of (I Believe) The California, The Oklahoma and The Arizona, Are there others i've missed?

Torplexed · 11-06-09, 11:48 PM

Pearl Harbor permanent wrecks should also include the target ship and former battleship Utah. (Although an unimportant target, due to her flat decks some Japanese pilots mistook her for a carrier) In addition, the battleship Nevada was run aground during her attempt to sortie during the attack and was beached near Hospital Point. However, she wasn't there long as she was refloated on February 12th 1942 and entered Pearl Harbor Navy Yard's new Drydock Number Two on February 18th.

11-08-09, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Admiral Von Gerlach

be nice if they used these for some really good detail in SHV

check this old thread out: (it was going to be a real sub base at pearl)
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...arl+harbor+mod

Admiral Von Gerlach · 11-09-09, 01:44 AM

I studied Pearl again in detail and it is really just the section of the harbor with docks that lie to the right of the entrance entering. so much more could be done wthout that much trouble i think and even some semblance of the urban area around the harbour too.

Akula4745 · 11-09-09, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Admiral Von Gerlach

be nice if they used these for some really good detail in SHV

Gentlemen... no offense - but last I heard SHV will only be U-boat oriented - no Pacific / American v. Japanese. Did I miss something?

Munchausen · 11-09-09, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Akula4745

Did I miss something?

If you did, you aren't the only one.

Admiral Von Gerlach · 11-09-09, 01:23 PM

oh, sorry. did not know that. ah well. we can work on it in house then hopefully. It should not be impossible to enhance what is in SH IV, just take time and effort. The basics are there, just needs the rest of the harbour and for the shape of the water to be corrected as you cant go around Ford Island or the other islands in channel yet. Good to have the pics shared here, the info is there, and many of the structures in the vanilla are not that far off, just need more tanks in the tank farm and more docks and the sub base to be accurate really.

11-06-09, 11:16 AM	#1
Admiral Von Gerlach Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Colorado and California Posts: 726 Downloads: 358 Uploads: 0	The Tigers Lair I found this nice picture of the main sub base at Pearl as i was doing research, nice to see where the fleet took off from and came home to.... be nice if they used these for some really good detail in SHV __________________ Erlaubnis an Bord zu kommen.

11-06-09, 12:28 PM	#2
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Somebody was, but it was one of those mods full of sound and fury, signifying nothing... I don't think it's possible to appreciate how difficult such a mod is to make unless you try it. If I remember right, this guy got about halfway through. We're too hard on modders that tackle a huge project, find out they have swam halfway across the Atlantic and don't think they can make it. So they sometimes swim back! I belong to the Ducimus school of eyecandy. If it doesn't help the game, a beautiful target you might see once in a career, if it slows down game execution, then eyecandy be damned! But Pearl Harbor in that kind of detail wouldn't be useless eyecandy. It would set the mood for the entire game and be seen by everyone using it as a base every time they played. Can you imagine starting out a cruise in early 1942 in Pearl, surrounded by sunken hulks of formerly proud ships of the US Navy reminding you of why you were here? Pearl Harbor would be a priceless addition to SH4. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

11-06-09, 12:50 PM	#4
Admiral Von Gerlach Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Colorado and California Posts: 726 Downloads: 358 Uploads: 0	I agree RR, it is a LOT OF work to make it in a mod, which is why i was hoping the developers with their staff and budget could tackle it, it woulld really really enhance things so much. The immersion would be tremendous. True, a naval sim is mostly about being at sea, but the departure, and for the lucky ones, the return is such a special part of it all. and we really should include this shot: __________________ Erlaubnis an Bord zu kommen. Last edited by Admiral Von Gerlach; 11-06-09 at 01:59 PM.

11-06-09, 11:37 PM	#6
WarlordATF Frogman Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: SW Florida Posts: 288 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 0	Good Pics! This map shows what was moored where on the morning of the attack. The default game shows the wrecks of (I Believe) The California, The Oklahoma and The Arizona, Are there others i've missed? Last edited by WarlordATF; 11-06-09 at 11:48 PM.

11-09-09, 01:44 AM	#9
Admiral Von Gerlach Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Colorado and California Posts: 726 Downloads: 358 Uploads: 0	I studied Pearl again in detail and it is really just the section of the harbor with docks that lie to the right of the entrance entering. so much more could be done wthout that much trouble i think and even some semblance of the urban area around the harbour too. __________________ Erlaubnis an Bord zu kommen.

11-06-09, 10:30 PM	#5
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	I remember when SH4 was still in development a lot of people were hoping the December 7th attack itself would be included so you could try your hand at knocking down a few of those low flying Kates, Vals and Zeros with your AA guns when starting from Pearl as well as watching the attack unfold. Once we were told the game would start on December 8th everyone knew it wasn't to be.

11-06-09, 11:48 PM	#7
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Pearl Harbor permanent wrecks should also include the target ship and former battleship Utah. (Although an unimportant target, due to her flat decks some Japanese pilots mistook her for a carrier) In addition, the battleship Nevada was run aground during her attempt to sortie during the attack and was beached near Hospital Point. However, she wasn't there long as she was refloated on February 12th 1942 and entered Pearl Harbor Navy Yard's new Drydock Number Two on February 18th.

11-09-09, 01:23 PM	#12
Admiral Von Gerlach Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Colorado and California Posts: 726 Downloads: 358 Uploads: 0	oh, sorry. did not know that. ah well. we can work on it in house then hopefully. It should not be impossible to enhance what is in SH IV, just take time and effort. The basics are there, just needs the rest of the harbour and for the shape of the water to be corrected as you cant go around Ford Island or the other islands in channel yet. Good to have the pics shared here, the info is there, and many of the structures in the vanilla are not that far off, just need more tanks in the tank farm and more docks and the sub base to be accurate really. __________________ Erlaubnis an Bord zu kommen.