Lets go Green !!!

The Gulf of Mexico has quite a bit on it's own. I guess it's just easier to let China and Cuba have it.

Well I suppose America could invade places to take their oil, or perhaps just out bid China to win the contracts.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

As long as we are using more oil than our wells that are running TODAY are producing we are one way or another buying terrorist oil.

New production takes 10 years from approval to market. = useless

Tho I have to admit I am intrigued by the idea of using laser cutting to recover more oil in existing sites. It uses alot more power but it is fast and does not contact the surface. They are saying it could cut down drilling on land by a third.

You see despite the shrill calls to give the oil companies whatever the hell they want. They can and are evolving on their own. And boatloads of new tech investments are slowly but surely starting to reduce the need for oil. Of course my favorite is Algae oil. But things such as replacing oil plastics with american grown bioplastics are good investments as well in my opinion.

This is precisely why the Democrats are going to have trouble in the future. With the cost of generating electricity being expensive and rising, this is pie in the sky stuff. Not worthless by any means. But we need oil resources today to drive and grow our economy. This is not an overnight process. The cost, current strain, current supply, and demand for oil is another reason why the economy is struggling. The highly touted "green jobs" vision just ain't happening in the now. Nor is it coming in the near term.

And BTW, 15 years ago, the "it takes 10 years to bring it online" argument was used. We shouldn't have listened to liberals. Had we not, we would have another stream of oil resources, and the supply wouldn't be as strained as it is. In reality, Oil, nuclear, coal, and natural gas aren't going anywhere for awhile. Believe what you want. It won't help the Democrats in anyway to continue to keep the American people from resources it has, needs, and can develop and use on it's own to get the economy growing. Developing alternatives is nice, but that alone is going to hurt the Democrats as energy gets ever more expensive to produce in the future if they continue down this road of alternatives as the primacy to the detriment of needed resources now.

[Zachstar]

People didn't want to drill for more oil then and they don't want to now. Otherwise Obama would never have won. People just want to continue driving their SUVs like nothing is happening.

Again the oil companies are adapting to not getting stuff handed to them on a silver platter. Exxon reports using 3D technology to improve dilling rates and better forecasts the idea of laser drilling is progressing so on and so forth.

On top of that the US Navy is developing fusion. Pb11 style without the massive neutron production. Power positive results could come in 2 years which would scare OPEC into opening up everything they have to sell what they can before demand washes away.

OPEC is already acting very weird. They are noting how the oil prices of last year caused massive demand destruction and instead of talking like they need to raise em they are talking about how they need to increase production. They know their failure to ward off extreme prices last year cost them a great deal of support and helped trigger more movement towards efficiency.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

People didn't want to drill for more oil then and they don't want to now. Otherwise Obama would never have won. .

What the?

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

What the?

Zach lives in his own dream world. He actually thinks we're not going to need "terrorist" oil in 5 years because Obama promised "green jobs". And every American will just simply go out and purchase brand new solar/wind powered hybrids en masse, probably with government rebates...and we'll all live happily ever after.

[antikristuseke]

I love the smell of strawmen in the morning.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Zach lives in his own dream world. He actually thinks we're not going to need "terrorist" oil in 5 years because Obama promised "green jobs". And every American will just simply go out and purchase brand new solar/wind powered hybrids en masse, probably with government rebates...and we'll all live happily ever after.

You mean this was a lie?

[CaptainHaplo]

Back to the original subject.

Good for Al Gore for making a wise investment.

Good for Al Gore for supporting a firm that does things while looking to conserve precious resources.

Bad for Al Gore to lecture everyone on global warming and carbon while flying on a private jet dang near everywhere that pollutes so much.

Bad for Al Gore to create a "Carbon trading company" that does nothing but offer to sell you "carbon credits" so you feel better about driving your SUV.

There is no doubt he has some business acumen, as well as salesmanship, which he uses his political threads to assist with.

The problem is when he says one thing, does the other, consistently "stretches" the facts to support his erroneous thinking, applies a double standard to himself and other elites compared to the rest of society, and unethically creates the "environmentalists" version of scientology - aka - "carbon credits".

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Back to the original subject.

Good for Al Gore for making a wise investment.

Good for Al Gore for supporting a firm that does things while looking to conserve precious resources.

Bad for Al Gore to lecture everyone on global warming and carbon while flying on a private jet dang near everywhere that pollutes so much.

Bad for Al Gore to create a "Carbon trading company" that does nothing but offer to sell you "carbon credits" so you feel better about driving your SUV.

There is no doubt he has some business acumen, as well as salesmanship, which he uses his political threads to assist with.

The problem is when he says one thing, does the other, consistently "stretches" the facts to support his erroneous thinking, applies a double standard to himself and other elites compared to the rest of society, and unethically creates the "environmentalists" version of scientology - aka - "carbon credits".

Amen Brother!

[SteamWake]

Carbon Credits the pokeman cards of 2012

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Zach lives in his own dream world. He actually thinks we're not going to need "terrorist" oil in 5 years because Obama promised "green jobs". And every American will just simply go out and purchase brand new solar/wind powered hybrids en masse, probably with government rebates...and we'll all live happily ever after.

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Carbon Credits the pokeman cards of 2012

Actually they are a great idea if they can be standardized. But the issue is today one can claim to be carbon neutral by supporting some trees or some crap when it ought to be funding clean energy.

A great investment model is starting out in the desert where investors are paying to install large solar shades in grocery store parking lots... They don't have to purchase federal land and most of the income comes from the grocery store itself which will love to claim its green status. If that could become a viable way to earn carbon credits you would see investments skyrocket.

[CaptainHaplo]

Solar Cells in grocery store parking lots in the middle of the desert...

Would that be a grocery store for the Bedouins? Well I guess the camels will enjoy the shade....

Carbon credits is nothing but a scam to redistribute wealth. Oh, they planted a tree in South America to offset my plane travel. Of course - the reality that trees release carbon as they age gets forgotten.... as long as it makes a person "feel good". The whole issue of "carbon" was why Kyoto was such a bad treaty.

There is nothing wrong with supporting clean energy - or looking to conserve resources. But creating a "feel good" market that does nothing but charges you for it, is unethical regardless.

Want clean energy? Wonderful thing called nuclear reactors for that. Want to solve the economic issues of the country. Set the country up to provide the power required to the rest of North America as well as to South America. But you would end up with a constand demand, which would create sustained jobs at good wages. Sure it would take investment and time.Anything worth doing usually does. Its not the end all/be all answer, but its one more piece of the puzzle.

[Zachstar]

I do not support feel good carbon credits. That crap has been used by soccer moms and the like to "feel good" about driving an SUV that ought to be outlawed just as much due to its risk to smaller cars than to its huge impact on CO2 levels.

A better type of carbon credit is investment carbon credits.

And I mean grocery stores in the US west. You see when a grocery store can gain solar without paying for the equipment they get to keep the "green points" (Saying "We are green! Shop at us!") while buying the energy from the panels instead of paying off the loan to do it themselves. This model works because it solves the issue of gaining land (Which can be quite expensive and you have to run environmental studies for large projects) And gives an incentive for participating.

I would love to have more fission. However I am not dumb enough to think it can pass through the political system. Not to mention that the industry is being investigated over ballooning costs.

[AVGWarhawk]

I do not support feel good carbon credits. That crap has been used by soccer moms and the like to "feel good" about driving an SUV that ought to be outlawed just as much due to its risk to smaller cars than to its huge impact on CO2 levels.

Thats it....send all the soccer moms to the gallows. IT IS ALL THEIR FAULT WITH THERE FILTH BELCHING SUV AND MINI VANS. Got kids Zach?

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Thats it....send all the soccer moms to the gallows. IT IS ALL THEIR FAULT WITH THERE FILTH BELCHING SUV AND MINI VANS. Got kids Zach?

Nope. And btw kids is no excuse to drive a frakking tank. Especially one that gets under 15MPG my parents did everything needed with a Sedan. No tank needed.