Anyone got 7 yet?

Skybird · 10-26-09, 11:18 AM

I would not bet money on Windows 8. As I said in another thread, the future seem to be cloud computing, and no more OS like we used to know them. Google company is on that way since their very beginning as a company.

Reviews also say that 7 is better than Vista: it is slim compared to Vista, and faster, also less compatability issues.

I plan to run XP as long as it is supported or my machine does not break down. I then will go with the medium version of 7, due to it having the XP-emulation (compatability) mode. that should increase my cnaces of not needing to give up old software.

Ping Jockey,

forum rules prohibit me to give you the details, but there are ways to install SH3 from the old discs (the disc is still needed for installation) without needing to install it's Starforce. I assume after so many years, with SH4 out and SH5 coming, it does not matter if I give you this hint. Now, there is Google, and there is you... Don't ask us questions on it.

SeaWolf U-57 · 10-26-09, 02:56 PM

there is this thread in the SH3 section

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=157285

goldorak · 10-26-09, 03:18 PM

No need to be secretive Skybird, Ubisoft many years ago patched Starforce out of SH III. Heck the budget edition I bought 2 years after the game was released had no protection of any kind. If you have one of the first editions of SH III then just download the official last patch from Ubisoft and you're good to go.

CaptainHaplo · 10-26-09, 05:33 PM

Win 7 is NOT Vista Sp2....

Don't know where you got that idea, but its incorrect.

The kernel has been modified (less crap that you can't turn off), networking has been almost entirely reworked, service interdependancies have been streamlined, and 16 bit functionality is GONE. The last alone required serious kernel changes. This of course doesn't even touch the UI enhancements.

You couldn't do that with an SP, unless you want another like XP sp2 - which WAS pretty much a totally new OS in reality.

What shortcomings in Vista do you see that are not present in XP? What "works" in XP that doesn't in Vista or 7?

JSLTIGER · 10-26-09, 05:39 PM

Using 7 Pro x64 on my laptop...stepped up from Vista HP x64 on the 22nd (Hooray $29.99 student license). So far the only thing that doesn't like the upgrade is my fingerprint scanner software. I hope ASUS puts out an update (but I'm not holding my breath).

AVGWarhawk · 10-26-09, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Win 7 is NOT Vista Sp2....

Don't know where you got that idea, but its incorrect.

The kernel has been modified (less crap that you can't turn off), networking has been almost entirely reworked, service interdependancies have been streamlined, and 16 bit functionality is GONE. The last alone required serious kernel changes. This of course doesn't even touch the UI enhancements.

You couldn't do that with an SP, unless you want another like XP sp2 - which WAS pretty much a totally new OS in reality.

What shortcomings in Vista do you see that are not present in XP? What "works" in XP that doesn't in Vista or 7?

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Verdict: Windows 7 - Like Vista, just a bit easier to use and less annoying

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=4277

As it stands now it makes no sense to get Windows7 for a few more gadgets and a kernals. I will keep my $150.00 and continue using Vista. I enjoy Vista.

longam · 10-27-09, 06:55 AM

A Definitive Windows 7 vs Vista Performance Comparison.

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Most of Win7’s performance improvements clearly come from improved multithreaded/multitasking performance

http://www.hardcore ware.net/windows-7-vs-vista-performance-comparison/

SeaWolf U-57 · 10-28-09, 03:14 AM

All I will say as a EX-Vista 32bit user is good riddance to a dam annoying operating system that made doing anything long winded although in all fairness I never had the problems some did.
And hello to Windows 7 64bit version that offers me all the same features as Vista and a whole lot more. and although I am using the 64bit version Windows 7 it runs so much better on my machine opening things faster browsing faster and a much better interface with my documents. I think it is money well spent to upgrade although how it displays SH3 takes some getting use to but I expect someone will come up with a fix soon. I am running the Premium version and even SH3 + wac4.1 runs smother.

Castout · 11-10-09, 08:32 PM

I'm happy with my Vista. I'll wait at least a year before upgrading to 7.
I'll use 7 with my new rig I think.

Raptor1 · 11-11-09, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Castout

I'm happy with my Vista.

Blasphemy!~

Skybird · 10-31-09, 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldorak

No need to be secretive Skybird, Ubisoft many years ago patched Starforce out of SH III. Heck the budget edition I bought 2 years after the game was released had no protection of any kind. If you have one of the first editions of SH III then just download the official last patch from Ubisoft and you're good to go.

Hm, I just was on the UBI site, and the latest patch they list for SH3 in the patch download section is 1.4b from 2005. Reading the feature list, there is no mentioning of kicking SF. I also seem to remember that 1.4b was the last official patch I was using back then.

Is it an unofficial patch (which then again would make the deletion of SF illegal)?

goldorak · 10-31-09, 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Hm, I just was on the UBI site, and the latest patch they list for SH3 in the patch download section is 1.4b from 2005. Reading the feature list, there is no mentioning of kicking SF. I also seem to remember that 1.4b was the last official patch I was using back then.

Is it an unofficial patch (which then again would make the deletion of SF illegal)?

No it is an official patch.
My version of SH III is patched to 1.4b and has NO STARFORCE nor any other kind of protection. And it is original.
Ubisoft is one of the few publishers that on many games patches the copy protection out after some years (not for all of its games).
But in the case of SH III, Chessmaster X (which I own) and Lock-on yes.

Skybird · 10-31-09, 06:50 AM

Well, if it is a patch that is installed after game installation, it means that it deletes SF again after the game has been installed, and so it is not really an option for me anyway, since I subscribe to the idea that it is better to install SH3 in a way where SF does not even touch the HD during installation, instead of letting it in and then needing to hope that kicking it out has functioned properly.

goldorak · 10-31-09, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Well, if it is a patch that is installed after game installation, it means that it deletes SF again after the game has been installed, and so it is not really an option for me anyway, since I subscribe to the idea that it is better to install SH3 in a way where SF does not even touch the HD during installation, instead of letting it in and then needing to hope that kicking it out has functioned properly.

Actually even if the game has starforce, it is not enabled untill the first time you execute the program. So you can install SH III and then directly the patch. Job done no starforce.
I had the same problem with XIII century death or glory (it came bundled with my graphics card). I installed the game but didn't run it. Patched it with the official patch that removed starforce. Bingo no more starforce and I can enjoy the game.

10-26-09, 11:18 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,630 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I would not bet money on Windows 8. As I said in another thread, the future seem to be cloud computing, and no more OS like we used to know them. Google company is on that way since their very beginning as a company. Reviews also say that 7 is better than Vista: it is slim compared to Vista, and faster, also less compatability issues. I plan to run XP as long as it is supported or my machine does not break down. I then will go with the medium version of 7, due to it having the XP-emulation (compatability) mode. that should increase my cnaces of not needing to give up old software. Ping Jockey, forum rules prohibit me to give you the details, but there are ways to install SH3 from the old discs (the disc is still needed for installation) without needing to install it's Starforce. I assume after so many years, with SH4 out and SH5 coming, it does not matter if I give you this hint. Now, there is Google, and there is you... Don't ask us questions on it. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-26-09, 05:33 PM	#4
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Win 7 is NOT Vista Sp2.... Don't know where you got that idea, but its incorrect. The kernel has been modified (less crap that you can't turn off), networking has been almost entirely reworked, service interdependancies have been streamlined, and 16 bit functionality is GONE. The last alone required serious kernel changes. This of course doesn't even touch the UI enhancements. You couldn't do that with an SP, unless you want another like XP sp2 - which WAS pretty much a totally new OS in reality. What shortcomings in Vista do you see that are not present in XP? What "works" in XP that doesn't in Vista or 7? __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

10-26-09, 05:39 PM	#5
JSLTIGER The Old Man Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Parkland, FL, USA Posts: 1,437 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Using 7 Pro x64 on my laptop...stepped up from Vista HP x64 on the 22nd (Hooray $29.99 student license). So far the only thing that doesn't like the upgrade is my fingerprint scanner software. I hope ASUS puts out an update (but I'm not holding my breath). __________________ Thor: Intel Core i7 4770K\|ASUS Z87Pro\|32GB DDR3 RAM\|11GB EVGA GeForce RTX 2080Ti Black\|256GB Crucial M4 SSD+2TB WD HDD\|4X LG BD-RE\|32" Acer Predator Z321QU 165Hz G-Sync (2540x1440)\|Logitech Z-323 2.1 Sound\|Win 10 Pro Explorer (MSI GL63 8RE-629 Laptop): Intel Core i7 8750H\|16GB DDR4 RAM\|6GB GeForce GTX 1060\|128GB SSD+1TB HDD\|15.6" Widescreen (1920x1080)\|Logitech R-20 2.1 Sound\|Win 10 Home

11-10-09, 08:32 PM	#9
Castout Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 4,794 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 6	I'm happy with my Vista. I'll wait at least a year before upgrading to 7. I'll use 7 with my new rig I think. __________________ My blog: http://exposingsingapore.wordpress.com/

10-31-09, 06:50 AM	#13
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,630 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Well, if it is a patch that is installed after game installation, it means that it deletes SF again after the game has been installed, and so it is not really an option for me anyway, since I subscribe to the idea that it is better to install SH3 in a way where SF does not even touch the HD during installation, instead of letting it in and then needing to hope that kicking it out has functioned properly. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-26-09, 02:56 PM	#2
SeaWolf U-57 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,231 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	there is this thread in the SH3 section http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=157285

10-26-09, 03:18 PM	#3
goldorak Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,320 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	No need to be secretive Skybird, Ubisoft many years ago patched Starforce out of SH III. Heck the budget edition I bought 2 years after the game was released had no protection of any kind. If you have one of the first editions of SH III then just download the official last patch from Ubisoft and you're good to go.

10-28-09, 03:14 AM	#8
SeaWolf U-57 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,231 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	All I will say as a EX-Vista 32bit user is good riddance to a dam annoying operating system that made doing anything long winded although in all fairness I never had the problems some did. And hello to Windows 7 64bit version that offers me all the same features as Vista and a whole lot more. and although I am using the 64bit version Windows 7 it runs so much better on my machine opening things faster browsing faster and a much better interface with my documents. I think it is money well spent to upgrade although how it displays SH3 takes some getting use to but I expect someone will come up with a fix soon. I am running the Premium version and even SH3 + wac4.1 runs smother.