Internet for eeeeveryone!

Dowly · 10-15-09, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

In other words you the consumer through taxes and fees.

Well... yes. How else? I mean, arent taxes going to the government for the purpose of it then using them to build stuff and keeping the infrastructure up?

August · 10-15-09, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Well... yes. How else? I mean, arent taxes going to the government for the purpose of it then using them to build stuff and keeping the infrastructure up?

What happens when you don't want an internet connection? Why should you have to pay for it?

Dowly · 10-15-09, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by August

What happens when you don't want an internet connection? Why should you have to pay for it?

Because it's not up to you.

You pay taxes for the dimwits and they decide what to do with the money. I mean, my taxes wont go up because of this, so I dont really care. That is, aslong as they spend the money wisely.

August · 10-15-09, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Because it's not up to you.

You pay taxes for the dimwits and they decide what to do with the money. I mean, my taxes wont go up because of this, so I dont really care. That is, aslong as they spend the money wisely.

But if your taxes won't go up when they implement this doesn't that mean they were overtaxing you before?

Sea Demon · 10-15-09, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Because it's not up to you.

You pay taxes for the dimwits and they decide what to do with the money. I mean, my taxes wont go up because of this, so I dont really care. That is, aslong as they spend the money wisely.

Do you honestly think your government can make better choices for you, then you can make for yourself? Do you think government truly knows what your needs are, in order to spend your money wisely on your behalf?

VipertheSniper · 10-15-09, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Do you honestly think your government can make better choices for you, then you can make for yourself? Do you think government truly knows what your needs are, in order to spend your money wisely on your behalf?

I know you mean that in general, but for that specific case, say I want a 1 Mbps connection and live in an area where demand is not that high and thus telco companies aren't providing it, should I move, or fork out the cash together with probably a few others that want an admittedly not that fast connection, for the telco company so they provide the infrastructure? I rather have it that the companies are required to provide at least 1Mbps connections everywhere from the tax payers money and probably some of their own, and I don't have to fork out the cash up front with a few others in my area or move to a place with better infrastructure.

Shearwater · 10-15-09, 02:37 PM

Well, if you live all your life in a city where everything is within walking distance, why should you have to pay taxes for road upkeep? Or what if you can't afford to have a car?
I think that companies that have a distribution network (like postal or telecommunication services) have a certain point where they can't be efficient financially and still at the same time have a sufficient cover for their users. If the latter is desired by a majority of the people, why not pay taxes for it?

stabiz · 10-15-09, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Do you honestly think your government can make better choices for you, then you can make for yourself? Do you think government truly knows what your needs are, in order to spend your money wisely on your behalf?

Do you honestly think you can build the infrastructure yourself if you want broadband when its not available to you?

SteamWake · 10-15-09, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by stabiz

Do you honestly think you can build the infrastructure yourself if you want broadband when its not available to you?

Here in the US its done through private enterprise. If you want it you pay for it.

Goverment does get its cut though through taxation and fees.

Zachstar · 10-15-09, 05:51 PM

OMG EVIL SOCIALISM RUN!!!!!!!!!

Honestly its funny seeing the very responses in this topic. Enjoy paying hand over fist for current US broadband that much? Fact is the gov spends a huge amount of money in substities to help get those networks running so giant telecos can make money hand over fist. The same companies greatly against white space use that could give limited internet access to a great many people who can use it to find work and better themselves but noooooooooo thats teh evil socialism!

Do us all a favor and stay off the socialist US highway. Or socialist roads etc..

Zachstar · 10-15-09, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Here in the US its done through private enterprise. If you want it you pay for it.

Goverment does get its cut though through taxation and fees.

No it is not. There is no way in hell anyone short of a multi billionaire can afford to start a new backbone to compete with the current one. One partially paid for with teh evil socialism.

August · 10-15-09, 09:17 PM

Since even privately owned broadband service providers in America are considered public utilities it'd think it'd be rather easy for their respective state legislatures to require them to provide also service to the states rural areas,

What i'd like to know is if Finland also guarantees electrical service. After all broadband access is pretty much useless without it.

Also is this coverage total? I mean even to some peasant hut out in the boonies?

SteamWake · 10-15-09, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Well... yes. How else? I mean, arent taxes going to the government for the purpose of it then using them to build stuff and keeping the infrastructure up?

But what about those whom dont want it?

Just playin devils advocate here.

Castout · 10-15-09, 01:28 PM

They have the right?

So internet access is now part of human rights too?

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Shearwater Captain Join Date: May 2009 Location: SUBSIM Radio Room (kinda obvious, isn't it) Posts: 542 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 0	Well, if you live all your life in a city where everything is within walking distance, why should you have to pay taxes for road upkeep? Or what if you can't afford to have a car? I think that companies that have a distribution network (like postal or telecommunication services) have a certain point where they can't be efficient financially and still at the same time have a sufficient cover for their users. If the latter is desired by a majority of the people, why not pay taxes for it? Last edited by Shearwater; 10-15-09 at 05:54 PM.

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Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	OMG EVIL SOCIALISM RUN!!!!!!!!! Honestly its funny seeing the very responses in this topic. Enjoy paying hand over fist for current US broadband that much? Fact is the gov spends a huge amount of money in substities to help get those networks running so giant telecos can make money hand over fist. The same companies greatly against white space use that could give limited internet access to a great many people who can use it to find work and better themselves but noooooooooo thats teh evil socialism! Do us all a favor and stay off the socialist US highway. Or socialist roads etc.. __________________

10-15-09, 09:17 PM	#12
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Since even privately owned broadband service providers in America are considered public utilities it'd think it'd be rather easy for their respective state legislatures to require them to provide also service to the states rural areas, What i'd like to know is if Finland also guarantees electrical service. After all broadband access is pretty much useless without it. Also is this coverage total? I mean even to some peasant hut out in the boonies? __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

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Castout Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 4,794 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 6	They have the right? So internet access is now part of human rights too? __________________ My blog: http://exposingsingapore.wordpress.com/