White house chastises media !

AVGWarhawk · 10-13-09, 11:40 AM

It is not hard news anymore. It is opinion news. Nothing more.

mookiemookie · 10-13-09, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

It is not hard news anymore. It is opinion news. Nothing more.

They've learned that this is what sells. Unfortunately.

NeonSamurai · 10-13-09, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

They've learned that this is what sells. Unfortunately.

That's cause the general public prefers to be entertained, amused, titillated, and so on rather than informed. That and it seems that an awful lot of people prefer to have their opinions spoon fed to them rather then forming their own independently.

AVGWarhawk · 10-13-09, 12:20 PM

Opinions do sell. Ask Oprah.

Really, the old days of hard news are gone. Beck is like Howard Stern...shock jock

Scare tactics, innuendo are the order of the day at the news stations.

Skybird · 10-13-09, 12:52 PM

Starring the maybe worst propaganda channel amongst the major programs in all the Western world. What a surprise. Defamatory and manipulative they have always been, since years, but they have also become so personally insulting over the past 12 months and so aggressive and emotionally hysteric in their antipathy that it is no wonder that Obama first excluded them from official presidential reactions where all other major networks were not, and now attack them - even if doing so by only pointing out what is very obvious to the outside observer anyway. No other of the major networks seems to be so closely tied to a given political camp, and in that camp the radical fraction, like FOX. Even in europe, where most people even cannot receive it, FOX' devastating reputation is already legendary and already a synonyme for the worst standard of journalism possible. I personally am reminded of "Der schwarze Kanal" of the former state TV of the GDR. And back then we thought political journalism could not become any worse than that: intentionally destructive, defamatory and hilarous at the same time. Today we know it better. Compared to what I time and again pick up from FOX occasionally, the Bildzeitung is a lecture of highly intellectual niveau.

Spit.

Not so much because they are at war with Democrats, but because of very, very, very bad style and bad manners.

AVGWarhawk · 10-13-09, 12:59 PM

I do not believe you can encompass all of Fox's commentators/hosts. Personally I think Beck is neurotic as they come. O'Reilly is ok but does get a bit aggressive with his guests. However, I love it when he went after Barney Frank. Huckabee is fine and I believe could be an excellent journalist. You do have to admit. They have the hottest chicks on the show as part of the discussion about the news hands down.

August · 10-13-09, 01:04 PM

Fox is tied to the Republicans far less than ABC and a few others are tied to the Democrats.

If anything Fox needs to be more partisan to counteract it.

SteamWake · 10-13-09, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Starring the maybe worst propaganda channel amongst the major programs in all the Western world. .

Cnn, NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR, Msnbc, Fox?

Which one has the most propaganda?

Which one has the most viewers?

There all culpable in my opinion.

AVGWarhawk · 10-13-09, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Cnn, NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR, Msnbc, Fox?

Which one has the most propaganda?

Which one has the most viewers?

There all culpable in my opinion.

Something to do with 'getting shivers up my leg' reporting.

mookiemookie · 10-13-09, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

That's cause the general public prefers to be entertained, amused, titillated, and so on rather than informed. That and it seems that an awful lot of people prefer to have their opinions spoon fed to them rather then forming their own independently.

"It is a far, far better thing to have a firm anchor in nonsense than to put out on the troubled seas of thought." —John Kenneth Galbraith

NeonSamurai · 10-13-09, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

"It is a far, far better thing to have a firm anchor in nonsense than to put out on the troubled seas of thought." —John Kenneth Galbraith

Have to say I don't agree at all with that quote. Give me thought and reason any day even if I have to work hard and suffer for it, rather than being grounded in nonsense where I need not think.

Aramike · 10-13-09, 05:33 PM

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No other of the major networks seems to be so closely tied to a given political camp, and in that camp the radical fraction, like FOX.

REALLY?

How you ever watched MSNBC?

The brass at Fox News had it right when they said that the White House is incapable of distinguishing between news and commentary...

...either that, or they have a problem with commentary critical of them while being quite alright with the lineup of commentary shows supporting them, as is on MSNBC. Yet again its just more propaganda from this endlessly campaigning White House - and even you are buying into it, lock, stock, and barrel, without being fully informed of the issue on a first-hand basis.

Zachstar · 10-19-09, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

REALLY?

How you ever watched MSNBC?

The brass at Fox News had it right when they said that the White House is incapable of distinguishing between news and commentary...

...either that, or they have a problem with commentary critical of them while being quite alright with the lineup of commentary shows supporting them, as is on MSNBC. Yet again its just more propaganda from this endlessly campaigning White House - and even you are buying into it, lock, stock, and barrel, without being fully informed of the issue on a first-hand basis.

If you are referring to the major political commentary shows "Countdown" "Rachel Maddow" Yes those shows are pretty far left. The general news is more or less like CNNs or ABCs These shows were created to counter shows like Hannity and O'Reilly (Tho he now seems more central than far right these days likely reason they got Beck in)

The issue with Fox news is there is less time on there being objective and neutral than any other network I have seen in this nation. When the news reels roll oftentimes it seems they are just trying to make an issue a political issue to emflame the viewers. Do other networks do the same? Sometimes during election season they become rats but with fox its like a 24 hour thing.

That is my opinion tho many people share such. The white house is free to say Fox News sucks BTW. They have no power to alter their programming but they have the right to say what they think of it.

Sailor Steve · 10-13-09, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

Have to say I don't agree at all with that quote. Give me thought and reason any day even if I have to work hard and suffer for it, rather than being grounded in nonsense where I need not think.

It appears to me that Mr. Gailbraith was being sarcastic. I think he agrees with you.

NeonSamurai · 10-13-09, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

It appears to me that Mr. Gailbraith was being sarcastic. I think he agrees with you.

That is quite possible

, but that quote still makes me cringe.

10-13-09, 11:40 AM	#1
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	It is not hard news anymore. It is opinion news. Nothing more. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

10-13-09, 12:20 PM	#4
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Opinions do sell. Ask Oprah. Really, the old days of hard news are gone. Beck is like Howard Stern...shock jock Scare tactics, innuendo are the order of the day at the news stations. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

10-13-09, 12:52 PM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,604 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Starring the maybe worst propaganda channel amongst the major programs in all the Western world. What a surprise. Defamatory and manipulative they have always been, since years, but they have also become so personally insulting over the past 12 months and so aggressive and emotionally hysteric in their antipathy that it is no wonder that Obama first excluded them from official presidential reactions where all other major networks were not, and now attack them - even if doing so by only pointing out what is very obvious to the outside observer anyway. No other of the major networks seems to be so closely tied to a given political camp, and in that camp the radical fraction, like FOX. Even in europe, where most people even cannot receive it, FOX' devastating reputation is already legendary and already a synonyme for the worst standard of journalism possible. I personally am reminded of "Der schwarze Kanal" of the former state TV of the GDR. And back then we thought political journalism could not become any worse than that: intentionally destructive, defamatory and hilarous at the same time. Today we know it better. Compared to what I time and again pick up from FOX occasionally, the Bildzeitung is a lecture of highly intellectual niveau. Spit. Not so much because they are at war with Democrats, but because of very, very, very bad style and bad manners. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-13-09, 12:59 PM	#6
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I do not believe you can encompass all of Fox's commentators/hosts. Personally I think Beck is neurotic as they come. O'Reilly is ok but does get a bit aggressive with his guests. However, I love it when he went after Barney Frank. Huckabee is fine and I believe could be an excellent journalist. You do have to admit. They have the hottest chicks on the show as part of the discussion about the news hands down. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

10-13-09, 01:04 PM	#7
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Fox is tied to the Republicans far less than ABC and a few others are tied to the Democrats. If anything Fox needs to be more partisan to counteract it. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.