and they call us "Astro turfers"

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

I had a very well thought-out response to this, replete with an asessment of price controls, but my browser decided to stop working.
Here's the jist of it; price controls= bad, they generate shortages and surpluses, so says some notable economists. The US does not have a healthcare shortage, it has a surplus, and there are more effective ways than state healthcare reform to make it more widely available and more resonably priced.

I'll re-type it all when I have some spare time and will.

Edit- almost forgot, I was going to bash tribesman's last post as well. If someone could do it for me and save me some time, I'd be most obliged.

Haha, I hate when that happens.

I do agree that price controls are generally bad, but I believe we're in a situation where there's already price "controls", except that they are dictated by insurers and the uninsured. Perhaps control is not the best word because its more like a giant, artificially inflated cluster you-know-what.

The problem with universal healthcare has typically been one of rationing (i.e., shortages). The problem with OUR version of universal healthcare (the defacto one we're currently using) has been different - it's the inflation of cost WITHOUT shortages.

Healthcare is about as artificial of a capitalist system as one can find. It is an item that is always in a state of increasing demand by the very nature of a burgeoning population enjoying increased longevity. Hell, even oil, as a commodity, has its competitors. But unlike oil and real commodities, healthcare is far more notional meaning that its specific value can nigh be determined.

So what happens is that even in the private sector bloated bureaucracies form ratcheting up the costs of an already hyperinflated sector. Now people must not only pay for the costs and profit of the doctors, nurses, medical equipment and supply manufacturers, drug companies, etc., but also the costs and profits of the bloated institutions that pay them (insurance companies), and even then only so much. Add to that an out of control civil legal system, and you've got a recipe for an unmitigated disaster of a system which determines its own value by nature of essentially just saying that "this is my value".

Hence my position that a drastic, universal overhaul is needed. But, let me restate - Obama's and this Congress' plan is absolutely, 100% guaranteed to be a worse disaster than what we already have.

[QUOTEUmmm no.

Its all irrelevant anyhow at this point they are going to vote on it anyhow.
][/QUOTE]
Really ?
on which bill?
what verdict did the bi-partisan group give to each of the proposals?

was going to bash tribesman's last post as well.

Don't let your ignorance get in the way.
Come on lance corporl , you raised issues , explore the very issues you raised yourself.
r are you just talking ****e?

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Really ?
on which bill?
what verdict did the bi-partisan group give to each of the proposals?


Don't let your ignorance get in the way.
Come on lance corporl , you raised issues , explore the very issues you raised yourself.
r are you just talking ****e?

Would you mind editing that so it makes a little more sense.

As to your question I provided the link just to kill time I guess.

Would you mind editing that so it makes a little more sense.

Errrr...so sorry if its too hard to understand .
Which of the bills that went to the commitee are they going to vote on?
Simple isn't it.
If you want to make it more complicated ..... what verdict did the committee deliver on those bills they reviewed?
If you want to make it even more complicated ....what verdict did the health care providers deliver on those bills?
if you want to keep it simple ...what do some rednecks say about that bill?

Have a clue. If you is on the same page as some of those rednecks then beware , there is a really valid conspiracy theory that the evil feds is going to burn your home down all the way to the chassis