[REL] Solution Solver 1.3

Hitman · 10-03-09, 06:53 AM

Yes it has the zero at the bottom BUT the true course of the submarine is actually at the 180º. I am positive about that, as I have readed the user's manual of it, and besides the silhouette of the submarine shows clearly the bow at the 180º, and the stern at the 0º bearings. When choosing which dial to invert, they went for the bearings one.

EDIT: Rgr that IGD, so it was you who misunderstood it. No problem then!

I'm goin' down · 10-03-09, 12:57 PM

I know you are running around Spain dodging tomatoes and bulls. If you understand baseball, please go to YouTube and play the classic, famous video, "Who's on First" by Abbot and Costello. That is what we should label this thread!

Heading/Course and Bearing--Elementary School Course?

I will keep this simple. We are viewing the target from Own Ship's periscope line at 000 degrees.

1. Viewed from the red periscope line at the bottom of the wheel, Target's heading/course appears to be 270 degrees. It's bearing appears to be 90 degrees. That is what the wheel indicates, and what gutted apparently advises.

2. If you pretend the view is from a real live periscope on Own Ship, Own Ship's bearing is 0 degrees and Own Ship's heading/course is 180 degrees.

3. If the compass is pointing true north and Target is perpendicular to Own Ship, as in your diagram and as seen from the periscope on Own Ship, the Target's bearing appears to be 90 degrees and it's heading/course is 270 degrees. If so, the bow of the target in your diagram, as seen from Own Ship, would have a bearing of 90 degrees. I hope so for my sake.

Do you agree with that? If you do, that might explain why I seem to be talking in circles. If you agree, we should be able to get all of this straight.

Gutted the term "Own Ship" is what aaronblood used in MoBo, an amazing program.

gutted · 10-03-09, 02:18 PM

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I will keep this simple. We are viewing the target from Own Ship's periscope line at 000 degrees.

1. Viewed from the red periscope line at the bottom of the wheel, Target's heading/course appears to be 270 degrees. It's bearing appears to be 90 degrees. That is what the wheel indicates, and what gutted apparently advises.

the target ship has no "bearing".. bearing is completely relative to the viewing person. How do you know which way the target is looking? Like i said previously, the arrow at the firont of the target ship is meaninless.. and points to nothing. It shouldn't be drawn that way.

Since you say the periscope is at 000 degrees... he's at a bearing of 000 degrees from YOU. Now if you were to place yoursef on his ship and then look at your sub.. YOU would be at a bearing of 90 degrees from him. Ths bearing from his ship to your ship is mainly what the Angle On Bow is derived from.

I'm goin' down · 10-03-09, 02:34 PM

okay. why have a middle dial (compass)?

gutted · 10-03-09, 03:44 PM

weeee. we're spinning in circles here now arent we? LOL.

what the number mean on each dial:

bottom dial:
Bearings from your periscope.

middle dial:
Headings (.ie True Course) that both ownship & target will be travelling on.

top dial:
Bearings from the targets point of view (expressed in terms of AoB port/starboard).

gutted · 10-03-09, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hitman

Yes it has the zero at the bottom BUT the true course of the submarine is actually at the 180º. I am positive about that, as I have readed the user's manual of it, and besides the silhouette of the submarine shows clearly the bow at the 180º, and the stern at the 0º bearings. When choosing which dial to invert, they went for the bearings one.

i dont buy that. nothing about that wheel is inverted. It's the same as when using the "Tool helper" on the "Ruler" in game.

when you are drawing out the course.. (say north for this example), you would read it from the bottom of the tool helper in game.. your nose would be at the 180 location.

this is how it works.. there is nothing inverted about it. It's just simply the way the dials interact that it seems backwards to you, but as i said it's a matter of perspective. It doesn't seem backwards at all from my POV.

IMO, the custom artwork you put into the soltion solver screnshot looks backwards

I'm goin' down · 10-03-09, 04:56 PM

Tried two attempts at a tutorial set up by Rockin Roberts for practicing the Cromwell method. I had two hits on my first attempt, but the solution was not perfect. On the second attmept, I noticed Own Ship was not proceeding down the 45 degree track. I realized the course plotting tool put some extra flags which caused my boat to go off course and screwed up the firing angle.

But I think I had the set up correct with the target's true course of 28 degrees to starboard at 12 kts, and Own Ship at 0 degrees. The AoB on the wheel looked good. It was 45 degrees which is correct under the Cromwell theory. The firing solution said 351 degrees, which was a lead angle of 9 degrees. I will try it again later.

If I get this thing down and you make major changes.....ARGGGG!

gutted · 10-03-09, 05:13 PM

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If I get this thing down and you make major changes.....ARGGGG!

i seriously doubt i'll be making any changes.

if anything... for people who want to use custom dials that are oriented differently, i'll have the program look for a specific config file that tells it the orientation of each dial.

I'm goin' down · 10-03-09, 07:46 PM

If contact with six torpedoes means I have learned how to figure out the wheel, then I must have learned something. Third attempt - I forgot to submerge. Target started shooting at me, changed course and ran away. Fourth attempt - I knew target's course, so I set up for a Cromwell attack and set the dials on the wheel and solved the solution. I fired four 46 kt. and two 45 kt. torpedoes at 3,600 yds. All were right on the MONEY.

I am sold. I will use it in lieu of Easy AoB until I have it down cold. A nice piece of work, although mastering the wheel for some of us can be a challenge. Thanks for working this through with Hitman, me and the rest of the Captains. This should be stickied and made a part of Neal's post re important mods that is in his sticky in the Mods forum.

Hitman · 10-04-09, 04:38 AM

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MO, the custom artwork you put into the soltion solver screnshot looks backwards

Yes, because that artwork replicates the real wheels ... and those work the opposite!!

It is obvious that, as you say, it's all a matter of perspective, and that the dials can be brought to work also with the current layout. The only thing I wanted to point out is that they work the opposite to the real ones I know, and hence they are less intuitive for me. Plus I believe the US and german Navy must have had some reason to put them like they did.

Never mind, it's not a big deal

EDIT: I checked again the example of arwtork and the bearinsg dial is indeed inverted. The reason is it was a quick job intended to showcase skins, and I used the same template for all dials.

gutted · 10-04-09, 04:15 PM

i recorded a new tutorial showing a complete attack from first sighting to to target destruction. shows how to use the wheel to position yourself, and how to use the speed solver etc.

The attack was done purely visually. ie. no map plotting or ranging were done.

might be a day or so before its on youtube. i need to do some things to it first.

gutted · 10-04-09, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by I'm goin' down

I am sold. I will use it in lieu of Easy AoB until I have it down cold. A nice piece of work, although mastering the wheel for some of us can be a challenge.

congrats, but dont box yourself into one way of doing things.

my personal method is to use the AoB wheel to position myself, and then switch to the position keeper when im close range and in a good position for the actual firing.. because it allows me to keep turning/manuevering and i can target more than one ship pretty easily.

but to each their own.

I'm goin' down · 10-04-09, 11:48 PM

I lined up for a shot at an angle. The target changed course and moved inside the tracking course, closer to Own Ship, but on a roughly parallel course to the tracking course. So I had adequate distance to fire torpedoes, I put Own Ship in reverse. I assume Own Ship not change course when in reverse. I missed the shots. Was Own Ship off course as a result of moving in reverse or as a resiult of moving away from the original course line?

10-03-09, 06:53 AM	#1
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,112 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	Yes it has the zero at the bottom BUT the true course of the submarine is actually at the 180º. I am positive about that, as I have readed the user's manual of it, and besides the silhouette of the submarine shows clearly the bow at the 180º, and the stern at the 0º bearings. When choosing which dial to invert, they went for the bearings one. EDIT: Rgr that IGD, so it was you who misunderstood it. No problem then! __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

10-03-09, 02:34 PM	#4
I'm goin' down Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Notify command we have entered the Grass Sea Posts: 2,822 Downloads: 813 Uploads: 0	why the compass okay. why have a middle dial (compass)?

10-03-09, 04:56 PM	#7
I'm goin' down Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Notify command we have entered the Grass Sea Posts: 2,822 Downloads: 813 Uploads: 0	I am with you. Tried two attempts at a tutorial set up by Rockin Roberts for practicing the Cromwell method. I had two hits on my first attempt, but the solution was not perfect. On the second attmept, I noticed Own Ship was not proceeding down the 45 degree track. I realized the course plotting tool put some extra flags which caused my boat to go off course and screwed up the firing angle. But I think I had the set up correct with the target's true course of 28 degrees to starboard at 12 kts, and Own Ship at 0 degrees. The AoB on the wheel looked good. It was 45 degrees which is correct under the Cromwell theory. The firing solution said 351 degrees, which was a lead angle of 9 degrees. I will try it again later. If I get this thing down and you make major changes.....ARGGGG!

10-03-09, 07:46 PM	#9
I'm goin' down Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Notify command we have entered the Grass Sea Posts: 2,822 Downloads: 813 Uploads: 0	gutted If contact with six torpedoes means I have learned how to figure out the wheel, then I must have learned something. Third attempt - I forgot to submerge. Target started shooting at me, changed course and ran away. Fourth attempt - I knew target's course, so I set up for a Cromwell attack and set the dials on the wheel and solved the solution. I fired four 46 kt. and two 45 kt. torpedoes at 3,600 yds. All were right on the MONEY. I am sold. I will use it in lieu of Easy AoB until I have it down cold. A nice piece of work, although mastering the wheel for some of us can be a challenge. Thanks for working this through with Hitman, me and the rest of the Captains. This should be stickied and made a part of Neal's post re important mods that is in his sticky in the Mods forum.

10-04-09, 11:48 PM	#13
I'm goin' down Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Notify command we have entered the Grass Sea Posts: 2,822 Downloads: 813 Uploads: 0	??? I lined up for a shot at an angle. The target changed course and moved inside the tracking course, closer to Own Ship, but on a roughly parallel course to the tracking course. So I had adequate distance to fire torpedoes, I put Own Ship in reverse. I assume Own Ship not change course when in reverse. I missed the shots. Was Own Ship off course as a result of moving in reverse or as a resiult of moving away from the original course line?

10-03-09, 12:57 PM	#2
I'm goin' down Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Notify command we have entered the Grass Sea Posts: 2,822 Downloads: 813 Uploads: 0	I know you are running around Spain dodging tomatoes and bulls. If you understand baseball, please go to YouTube and play the classic, famous video, "Who's on First" by Abbot and Costello. That is what we should label this thread! Heading/Course and Bearing--Elementary School Course? I will keep this simple. We are viewing the target from Own Ship's periscope line at 000 degrees. 1. Viewed from the red periscope line at the bottom of the wheel, Target's heading/course appears to be 270 degrees. It's bearing appears to be 90 degrees. That is what the wheel indicates, and what gutted apparently advises. 2. If you pretend the view is from a real live periscope on Own Ship, Own Ship's bearing is 0 degrees and Own Ship's heading/course is 180 degrees. 3. If the compass is pointing true north and Target is perpendicular to Own Ship, as in your diagram and as seen from the periscope on Own Ship, the Target's bearing appears to be 90 degrees and it's heading/course is 270 degrees. If so, the bow of the target in your diagram, as seen from Own Ship, would have a bearing of 90 degrees. I hope so for my sake. Do you agree with that? If you do, that might explain why I seem to be talking in circles. If you agree, we should be able to get all of this straight. Gutted the term "Own Ship" is what aaronblood used in MoBo, an amazing program.

10-03-09, 03:44 PM	#5
gutted The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Orleans, LA. Posts: 1,379 Downloads: 487 Uploads: 11	weeee. we're spinning in circles here now arent we? LOL. what the number mean on each dial: bottom dial: Bearings from your periscope. middle dial: Headings (.ie True Course) that both ownship & target will be travelling on. top dial: Bearings from the targets point of view (expressed in terms of AoB port/starboard).

10-04-09, 04:15 PM	#11
gutted The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Orleans, LA. Posts: 1,379 Downloads: 487 Uploads: 11	i recorded a new tutorial showing a complete attack from first sighting to to target destruction. shows how to use the wheel to position yourself, and how to use the speed solver etc. The attack was done purely visually. ie. no map plotting or ranging were done. might be a day or so before its on youtube. i need to do some things to it first.