What have we come to?

ETR3(SS) · 10-01-09, 08:14 AM

Great, I can see where this is going already then.

SteamWake · 10-01-09, 08:38 AM

You guys that say 'nothing has changed' have your heads stuck in the sand.

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A 14-year-old boy in the city's Edgewater neighborhood was beaten and critically injured Wednesday night--suffering massive head trauma, police said.

"He was covered in blood. Blood was all over the street," said the woman who called police to the scene. "It was all over his face, arms and coming down the back of his head."

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2...edgewater.html

AngusJS · 10-01-09, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Great, I can see where this is going already then.

They needed to show this on TV so Glenn Beck could blame it on secularism.

Are these incidents more common, or is it just that a larger number of such incidents are caught on camera nowadays, so the problem appears worse than it is?

SteamWake · 10-01-09, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by AngusJS

They needed to show this on TV so Glenn Beck could blame it on secularism.

Are these incidents more common, or is it just that a larger number of such incidents are caught on camera nowadays, so the problem appears worse than it is?

Actually its a little of both I think. The more you see it the more you become numb to it. The number society becomes to violent acts the more of them you see.

It is not at all uncommon for a news outlet to 'buy' exclusive rights to a news story. Its up to the individual with the story to choose whom to sell those rights... usually to the highest bidder.

But I dont recall Beck even mentioning this story but then again I dont watch him religiously.

10-01-09, 09:28 AM

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You guys that say 'nothing has changed' have your heads stuck in the sand.

All thats changed is the speed and spread of the coverage. 100 years ago the same story about some teenager getting killed in a fight might just make a small article in the local paper if it was a quiet week for news in that city

AVGWarhawk · 10-01-09, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

All thats changed is the speed and spread of the coverage. 100 years ago the same story about some teenager getting killed in a fight might just make a small article in the local paper if it was a quiet week for news in that city

I would agree as information moves at the speed of light. So, is there really more of this or is it just that we get more information on an issue that has not changed over the years? I would say there is more of this. People are more embolden to do the wrong thing these days...just my opinion.

antikristuseke · 10-01-09, 09:32 AM

Indeed it is a bit of both, but more of the spread of information than rise in violence.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0873729.html

SteamWake · 10-01-09, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

All thats changed is the speed and spread of the coverage. 100 years ago the same story about some teenager getting killed in a fight might just make a small article in the local paper if it was a quiet week for news in that city

100 years ago these teens would have been slaves working on a farm.

The would have been too busy to bother with beating the crap out of one another because they belonged to the wrong club.

10-01-09, 09:44 AM

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100 years ago these teens would have been slaves working on a farm.

So is that history problems or counting problems you have?

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Indeed it is a bit of both, but more of the spread of information than rise in violence.

So levels of crime is down, murder is down, violent crime is down and assault is down.
Yep its definately violence increasing.

AVGWarhawk · 10-01-09, 09:46 AM

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So levels of crime is down, murder is down, violent crime is down and assault is down.
Yep its definately violence increasing.

What town do you live in?

antikristuseke · 10-01-09, 09:47 AM

Pretty much, as Dara O'Briain put it on Mock the Week: "Crime rate is down, but the fear of crime is an an all time high. Who cares that the fear of crime is high, the fear of zombies is at an all time high but the rate of zombies is low" or something along those lines

August · 10-01-09, 09:57 AM

There's also a lot more people around. Even if the homicide rate remained unchanged if you double the amount of people you double the number of homicides.

10-01-09, 10:30 AM

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There's also a lot more people around. Even if the homicide rate remained unchanged if you double the amount of people you double the number of homicides.

But since any meaningful measure is done on a per capita basis thats a nonsense statement.

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What town do you live in?

The figures are from the US since the topic is crime in the US.
And since its the US and people are making statements about heads stuck in the sand.
67% of Americans think crime has increased when it has decreased.

AngusJS · 10-01-09, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Actually its a little of both I think. The more you see it the more you become numb to it. The number society becomes to violent acts the more of them you see.

It is not at all uncommon for a news outlet to 'buy' exclusive rights to a news story. Its up to the individual with the story to choose whom to sell those rights... usually to the highest bidder.

But I dont recall Beck even mentioning this story but then again I dont watch him religiously.

I was thinking that because video is more visceral than print, the emotional impact of the video makes the problem seem larger than it is.

http://ojjdp.ncjrs.org/ojstatbb/nr20...s/chapter3.pdf

The graph on page 4 only goes to 2002, but it shows that juvenile murder rates are at their lowest since 1984.

And here's Glenn Beck in his attempt to break the record for most falsehoods uttered in ten minutes, previously held by...Glenn Beck.

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antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Indeed it is a bit of both, but more of the spread of information than rise in violence. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0873729.html

10-01-09, 09:47 AM	#11
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Pretty much, as Dara O'Briain put it on Mock the Week: "Crime rate is down, but the fear of crime is an an all time high. Who cares that the fear of crime is high, the fear of zombies is at an all time high but the rate of zombies is low" or something along those lines