What do YOU think happened to Prien? - Page 2

CCIP · 07-28-05, 09:20 AM

I personally always found the 'circling torpedo' theory most probable. Hey, it happened to 2 US boats in the Pacific. It wouldn't be unreasonable to happen to a U-boat, too, seeing how their torpedoes in early war weren't much more reliable :hmm:

Zie Chuckinator · 07-28-05, 09:22 AM

then what did the Wolverine and that other DD get? a whale?

CCIP · 07-28-05, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Zie Chuckinator

then what did the Wolverine and that other DD get? a whale?

It's said that they were actually engaged with U-A at the moment and could not have been attacking Prien... :hmm:

Zie Chuckinator · 07-28-05, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

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Originally Posted by Zie Chuckinator

then what did the Wolverine and that other DD get? a whale?

It's said that they were actually engaged with U-A at the moment and could not have been attacking Prien... :hmm:

U-A? what kind of a name is that? im not sure but aren't lettered U-boats supposed to be training new crews? if im not plz correct me.

CCIP · 07-28-05, 09:45 AM

http://uboat.net/boats/ua.htm

Zie Chuckinator · 07-28-05, 09:48 AM

oh ok so she was exported lol.

CCIP · 07-28-05, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Zie Chuckinator

oh ok so she was exported lol.

No, she was built in Germany to be exported, but it was impounded when the war broke out, and then commissioned into the Kriegsmarine.

SteamWake · 07-28-05, 10:10 AM

From other websites:

Gunter Prien- 31 ships 194,103 tons

Germany's 4th top ranking commander. His only U-Boat command was the famous U-47.Prien was chosen by Admiral Donitz for the raid on the Home Fleet Base at Scapa Flow in the Orkneys. He succeeded on this mission, sinking the 31,000 ton Battleship HMS Royal Oak.
HMS Wolverine sunk his boat for loss of all hands after Prien's short 18 months at sea.

From Subsim.com :

Previously recorded fate (Last revised by FDS/NHB during June 1991)
There is till today not certain confirmation, how U-47 was lost. For years was it believed that the British destroyer HMS Wolverine sank U-47 on 8 March, 1941 after depth charges attacks, but the Wolverine actually attacked Eckermann's U-A.

Possible reasons for the loss of U-47 include mines, by its own torpedoes or by an attack by British corvettes HMS Camellia and HMS Arbutus.

Silverfox18 · 07-28-05, 02:05 PM

Hello,
i think Oombongo is right, and from there he managed to influence the evangelic electors of Bush who b.t.w. are all satanists who support Israel and killed Kennedy (did i leave something out?). Just look around the Internet, evidence is out there !
Greetings,
Catfish

Catfish, you've got to be kidding....I thought you were too smart for that crap..........

SteamWake · 07-28-05, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Silverfox18

Hello,
i think Oombongo is right, and from there he managed to influence the evangelic electors of Bush who b.t.w. are all satanists who support Israel and killed Kennedy (did i leave something out?). Just look around the Internet, evidence is out there !
Greetings,
Catfish

Catfish, you've got to be kidding....I thought you were too smart for that crap..........

Yes you forgot to mention Starforce.

Wulfmann · 07-28-05, 05:32 PM

For Catfish.

I ran into Prein in Israel. He told me when the truth of the final solution became known he dedicated his life to help the Jews retrieve their historic land they so richly deserved.
He continues doing so to this day (he has a small house on the Sea of Galilee) except to take time out to campaign for Bush and believes the US constitution should be changed so Bush can have 4 or 5 terms.

Further proof of Prein's greatness, IMO

Shalom!!

Wulfmann

The_Pharoah · 07-28-05, 09:35 PM

yes I know what happened to him and his crew.

He eventually became the first 'actor' on Lost!!

:rotfl:

Salvadoreno · 07-28-05, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by msxyz

Indeed, there's a legend that says that Prien mutined in late 1941.

But it seems unlikely. While being an excellent sailor he was easily influenced by the propaganda and never realized to be a tool of the regime. His exploits and accomplishment were boasted and over-exagerated. There are even concrete doubts that his biography was written by him rather than by a sponsored journalist. Everybody remembers Prien for his incursion in Scapaflow, but very few know that the italians violated every major english harbor in the mediterranean using submersibles and delivering frog-men to place limpet chrges or explosive carriots from 1941 to 1943.

Now, back in topic, possible causes:

Lost to a mine: as in WW1, the english littered the sea with millions of mines that claimed many unaware uboots. Prien's last reported position was far from every major mine field and thus this fate does not seem likely

Sunk by english ASW ships: HMS Camellia and HMS Arbutus were operating near the zone were U47 was last reported. As Uboat.net reports, for years was it believed that the British destroyer HMS Wolverine sank U-47 on 8 March, 1941. This information proved incorrect. Both the sonar and the hydrophone were disturbed by the turbolence caused by depth charges for up to 5 minutes after. This give a submarine the time to slip away at schleictfahrt. Many ASW crews claimed this way a disproportionate number of sinks or simply gave up when they couldn't hear the submarine anymore.

Operational loss: The most probable. An operational loss is an unfortunate event unrelated to combat. Mechanical failures, incidents caused by human errors, natural disasters and the such. For a submarine these are the most likely scenarios:

-Onboard explosion: most likely caused by the batteries. Lead Acid accumulators develop hydrogen and oxygen while used. During recharge the battery rooms are ventilated; during rapid dischares (ie flank speed)while dived, it's impossible to do so thus the explosive gases accumulate inside the submarine.
-Circling torpedoes: if the gyroscope is damaged or does not begin to spin before the torpedo exits the tube, the torpedo usually enters into a loop course or in a random zig-zag pattern. Since a dived submarine is much larger and slower than a torpedo, chances are than the crazed torpedo will strike its own mother craft before it has a chance to get out of its way.
-Structural collapse: unlikely unless the boat was damaged by a collision / depth charge attack sometime earlier.
-Crash dive without closing all the valves/hatches: They say: "sh!t happens". And it happened many times, particulary with green crews.

IT IS not possible that a circling torpedo hit Prein because he was out of torpedos when he reported contact with the convoy.

Catfish · 07-29-05, 03:45 AM

:rotfl:

Greetings,
Catfish

P.S. i really DID forget Starforce

this is eeeevil

Shadow9216 · 07-29-05, 08:38 AM

Maybe someone else's torp hit him?

07-28-05, 09:20 AM	#16
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I personally always found the 'circling torpedo' theory most probable. Hey, it happened to 2 US boats in the Pacific. It wouldn't be unreasonable to happen to a U-boat, too, seeing how their torpedoes in early war weren't much more reliable :hmm: __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

07-28-05, 09:22 AM	#17
Zie Chuckinator Machinist's Mate Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: up ur butt and around the corner... Posts: 121 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	then what did the Wolverine and that other DD get? a whale? __________________ Weekends don\'t count unless you spend them doing something completely pointless. -- Calvin Miss Wormwood: What state do you live in? Calvin: Denial. Miss Wormwood: I don\'t suppose I can argue with that... The only skills I have patience to learn are those that have no real application in life. -- Calvin If you do the job badly enough, sometimes you don\'t get asked to do it again. -- Calvin

07-28-05, 09:45 AM	#20
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	http://uboat.net/boats/ua.htm __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

07-28-05, 09:48 AM	#21
Zie Chuckinator Machinist's Mate Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: up ur butt and around the corner... Posts: 121 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	oh ok so she was exported lol. __________________ Weekends don\'t count unless you spend them doing something completely pointless. -- Calvin Miss Wormwood: What state do you live in? Calvin: Denial. Miss Wormwood: I don\'t suppose I can argue with that... The only skills I have patience to learn are those that have no real application in life. -- Calvin If you do the job badly enough, sometimes you don\'t get asked to do it again. -- Calvin

07-28-05, 05:32 PM	#26
Wulfmann Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,010 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	For Catfish. I ran into Prein in Israel. He told me when the truth of the final solution became known he dedicated his life to help the Jews retrieve their historic land they so richly deserved. He continues doing so to this day (he has a small house on the Sea of Galilee) except to take time out to campaign for Bush and believes the US constitution should be changed so Bush can have 4 or 5 terms. Further proof of Prein's greatness, IMO Shalom!! Wulfmann __________________ "The right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed upon, if only to prevent tyranny in government" Thomas Jefferson,; Constitutional debates

07-28-05, 10:10 AM	#23
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	From other websites: Gunter Prien- 31 ships 194,103 tons Germany's 4th top ranking commander. His only U-Boat command was the famous U-47.Prien was chosen by Admiral Donitz for the raid on the Home Fleet Base at Scapa Flow in the Orkneys. He succeeded on this mission, sinking the 31,000 ton Battleship HMS Royal Oak. HMS Wolverine sunk his boat for loss of all hands after Prien's short 18 months at sea. From Subsim.com : Previously recorded fate (Last revised by FDS/NHB during June 1991) There is till today not certain confirmation, how U-47 was lost. For years was it believed that the British destroyer HMS Wolverine sank U-47 on 8 March, 1941 after depth charges attacks, but the Wolverine actually attacked Eckermann's U-A. Possible reasons for the loss of U-47 include mines, by its own torpedoes or by an attack by British corvettes HMS Camellia and HMS Arbutus.

07-28-05, 02:05 PM	#24
Silverfox18 Watch Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Haleiwa, Hawaii Posts: 29 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Hello, i think Oombongo is right, and from there he managed to influence the evangelic electors of Bush who b.t.w. are all satanists who support Israel and killed Kennedy (did i leave something out?). Just look around the Internet, evidence is out there ! Greetings, Catfish Catfish, you've got to be kidding....I thought you were too smart for that crap..........

07-28-05, 09:35 PM	#27
The_Pharoah Soundman Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 142 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	yes I know what happened to him and his crew. He eventually became the first 'actor' on Lost!! :rotfl:

07-29-05, 03:45 AM	#29
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,767 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	:rotfl: Greetings, Catfish P.S. i really DID forget Starforce this is eeeevil

07-29-05, 08:38 AM	#30
Shadow9216 Frogman Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 296 Downloads: 91 Uploads: 0	Maybe someone else's torp hit him?