Odd Convoy. - Page 2

ReFaN · 09-20-09, 06:08 AM

Yes of course, you learn something new every day, just never seen any BB escorting before, want more!

Jimbuna · 09-20-09, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Lt.Fillipidis

Jimbuna
In RL would that happen?
I mean, a BB or even a Cruiser in the middle of a convoy?
Only tankers have deeper heel than those ships so a smart Kaleun would easily pick em off.
Plus, this situation limits their maneuverability and speed.

Most definitely and Mel has posted a worthy link to support the fact.

Here's a further example showing HMS Anson (pay particular attention to the bottom of the page):

http://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chrono-01BB-Anson.htm

U2222 · 09-20-09, 06:39 AM

That's an interesting article jimbuna.
Distant cover obviously means that in this case the battleships were not inside / part of the convoy.
In fact on one occasion distant meant 1000 miles west!!

Jimbuna · 09-20-09, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by U2222

That's an interesting article jimbuna.
Distant cover obviously means that in this case the battleships were not inside / part of the convoy.
In fact on one occasion distant meant 1000 miles west!!

If you research you will find many examples of heavy units travelling within the confines of the merchant ranks. This action was performed mainly during daylight hours because of the relatively short range of AA weaponry.

During the evening the heavy units were deemed more vulnerable to U-boat attack (the preferred conditions of a Kaleun) and therefore left the close confines of the convoy whilst allowing more leeway in manouvreability.

melnibonian · 09-20-09, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by U2222

Distant cover obviously means that in this case the battleships were not inside / part of the convoy.

Further to jim's post and answer, let me just state that GWX is a game and not reality. Due to restrictions imposed on us by the game engine convoys are much smaller and ships are closer than they were in reality. Therefore some level of poor realism is to be expected (for example it would have been impossible for all the merchants to travel so close to the Battleship if the big guns were to be used etc etc)

In my opinion if we take into account all the complications and restrictions the game engine creates I am happy with the final outcome.

U2222 · 09-20-09, 09:01 AM

I agree entirely.
After years of GWX it still amazes me how much has been built into this game.

melnibonian · 09-20-09, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by U2222

I agree entirely.
After years of GWX it still amazes me how much has been built into this game.

Hopefully in SH5 (with or without GWX) these issues are incorporated into the game

ReFaN · 09-20-09, 01:40 PM

Not a bashing atm the GWX dudes this, im terribly Amazed with GWX, makes SH3 a fun experience, taken the will out of SH4 completely

Jimbuna · 09-20-09, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ReFaN

Not a bashing atm the GWX dudes this, im terribly Amazed with GWX, makes SH3 a fun experience, taken the will out of SH4 completely

SINK EM ALL!!

ReFaN · 09-20-09, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

SINK EM ALL!!

6 patrols, 120000 tonnes, is that Good so far?

sergei · 09-20-09, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

SINK EM ALL!!

Yeah but you always say that Jimbuna

Jimbuna · 09-20-09, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ReFaN

6 patrols, 120000 tonnes, is that Good so far?

BE MORE AGGRESSIVE!!

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Originally Posted by sergei

Yeah but you always say that Jimbuna

Plus the one above

melnibonian · 09-21-09, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sergei

Yeah but you always say that Jimbuna

That's why he has 30,000 posts

09-24-09, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

If you research you will find many examples of heavy units travelling within the confines of the merchant ranks. This action was performed mainly during daylight hours because of the relatively short range of AA weaponry.

During the evening the heavy units were deemed more vulnerable to U-boat attack (the preferred conditions of a Kaleun) and therefore left the close confines of the convoy whilst allowing more leeway in manouvreability.

Backing up Hr. Jimbuna, another example of a BB inside a convoy, and being damaged by torpedoes is HMS Malaya. She wasn't bright enough to leave the convoy after dark.
All the DDs that were supposed to be escorting the convoy, ended up escorting her, all the way to New York for repairs, where she spent the entire rest of the war.
Two IXBs made a picnic out of that convoy.

Back to the original question:
If everything is in a wild, nonuniform zig zag, IMO, the attack is over.
That's something SH3, not GWX, screwed up badly.

Jimbuna · 09-25-09, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Snestorm

Backing up Hr. Jimbuna, another example of a BB inside a convoy, and being damaged by torpedoes is HMS Malaya. She wasn't bright enough to leave the convoy after dark.
All the DDs that were supposed to be escorting the convoy, ended up escorting her, all the way to New York for repairs, where she spent the entire rest of the war.
Two IXBs made a picnic out of that convoy.

Back to the original question:
If everything is in a wild, nonuniform zig zag, IMO, the attack is over.
That's something SH3, not GWX, screwed up badly.

Danke Kaleun

09-20-09, 06:08 AM	#16
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09-20-09, 06:39 AM	#18
U2222 Sparky Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: High Peak, UK Posts: 156 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	That's an interesting article jimbuna. Distant cover obviously means that in this case the battleships were not inside / part of the convoy. In fact on one occasion distant meant 1000 miles west!! __________________ A Big Thank You To All The Modders Who Make Sub Simming Such A Deep Experience

09-20-09, 09:01 AM	#21
U2222 Sparky Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: High Peak, UK Posts: 156 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	I agree entirely. After years of GWX it still amazes me how much has been built into this game. __________________ A Big Thank You To All The Modders Who Make Sub Simming Such A Deep Experience

09-20-09, 01:40 PM	#23
ReFaN Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 831 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 0	Not a bashing atm the GWX dudes this, im terribly Amazed with GWX, makes SH3 a fun experience, taken the will out of SH4 completely __________________ Liverpool is my relegion, Anfield is my church. True believers never walk alone.