Random Pics from Washington March 09/12/09

[Steel_Tomb]

I really don't understand sometimes... first they're like WOOHOO REFORM and now they're just moaning constantly. I just don't understand the paranoia over there... you mention any form of socialism no matter how weak and watered down it is and everyone starts screaming HES A COMMUNIST!

FFS get a grip people, having a public sector healthcare doesn't mean you'll be having a communist USA anytime soon... ok?

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

if congress passes this health care thing.

picture all of the above images only with smoke, and gunfire.

Really?

Over expanding health care coverage?

REALLY?

Taking up arms over health care legislation - that's not a reason, it's an excuse.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Here's all the first hand accounts you can handle. A fine example of trolling old white people and the kids they drug along who are too young to understand the issue. I got a kick out of this one:

http://www.billionairesforwealthcare.com/

"Let them eat Advil"

I think you have a loose interpritation of 'first hand account'

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

FFS get a grip people, having a public sector healthcare doesn't mean you'll be having a communist USA anytime soon... ok?

You don't understand: With these people, there's this nostalgia to go back to an America that never was. Anything even slightly left of Ayn Rand is deemed communist and/or socialist.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

I really don't understand sometimes... first they're like WOOHOO REFORM and now they're just moaning constantly. I just don't understand the paranoia over there... you mention any form of socialism no matter how weak and watered down it is and everyone starts screaming HES A COMMUNIST!

FFS get a grip people, having a public sector healthcare doesn't mean you'll be having a communist USA anytime soon... ok?

In short, most people do not like change...even small change. What Obama is proposing is a radical change in the status quo. Many said Obama will govern down the center but he has turned radically left and this frustrates/scares the radical right (wingnuts as they call them). To many, this is uncertain waters. They fear huge taxes with an already struggling economy. Last thing the citizens need is another tax hike. Also, many do not want to contribute to healthcare for a participant that does not contribute. The free ride is getting extremely old. Homes are foreclosing and business are closing but Washington is more wrapped up in healthcare. Furthermore the healthcare system needs to be fixed. It is broken in many places. Address these first before you throw in millions of new insurance toting citizens. Truly, this is a very radical government compared to any the citizens have seen in over 25 years or more. It is not a wonder that we do not go like sheep to slaughter. However, when any stand up it is alway a mob or wingnuts at another town hall creating havoc.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

You don't understand: With these people, there's this nostalgia to go back to an America that never was. Anything even slightly left of Ayn Rand is deemed communist and/or socialist.

What was the America that never was Who are 'these people' you refer

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

What was the America that never was Who are 'these people' you refer

You know "those people"

[Tchocky]

Full marks to the guy on the left.

[stabiz]

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

You know "those people"

Are they similar to this person:




This one?



I think these two get full marks as well. A+ for everyone!

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

What was the America that never was Who are 'these people' you refer

Those people in the photographs.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Those people in the photographs.

Which ones? I see people with Obama is a socialist signs and people with Bush is Hitler signs. So what gives? Looks to me like everyone at one time or another was or is 'one of those people'

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by August

Lynching is not only illegal it is wrong.

First part- true according to the Supreme Court. But it was still a common occurrence in the 1930s in small towns.

Wrong? Wrong how? Right and wrong are points of view- opinions-- in this case (lynching, I mean). Nothing more. Opinions are never facts.

Originally Posted by August

And BTW treason is a strong word for a bit of a flag displayed in a corner of a single picture.

Tell that to Oklahoma, whose legislation believes that it's treason- that any red flag or other emblem or banner, indicating disloyalty to the Government of the United States or a belief in anarchy or other political doctrines or beliefs, whose objects are either the disruption or destruction of organized government, or the defiance of the laws of the United States or of the State of Oklahoma is a felony with a possible 10 year prison sentence and a $1,000 fine.

Originally Posted by August

For all we know the caption on the sign might have been a condemnation of the Confederacy.

Well that guy is just a little bit out of place if he is condemning the CSA in Washington, D.C. here and now in 2009. It's been gone for a good 144 years.

Originally Posted by August

At an anti-government rally

There again, I don't think people would be getting his point if he showed up with that kind of a message at this kind of a rally- but I digress.

Originally Posted by August

You know the rebellion started by southern Democrats and put down by Republicans?

More like early Dixiecrats. Not that it really matters since I'm not a member of either party, but saying something like that doesn't actually prove or disprove anything- despite what you think. For example, Abraham Lincoln was a Deist, Jefferson Davis was an Episcopal Christian. Does that make one religious belief system more honorable/better than the other? Not in the least. The same goes for the political parties and the American Civil War, especially when you consider that it happened nearly 150 years ago.

Originally Posted by August

But be that as it may i'm 100% Yankee and if i had lived a century and a half ago it's certain that i'd be wearing blue and not gray,

Glad to hear it.

Originally Posted by August

but I have to admit that nobody flying that flag has ever did me or mine any harm.

Didn't you have any relatives in the Civil War? If so, the boys flying that flag were out to harm you and yours. Your ancestors- that much is true, but without them you'd never exist.

Originally Posted by August

On the other hand I have watched people flying the flag that you're sporting in your sig take 53 of my fellow countrymen hostage for well over a year so I have to ask myself, who is my enemy here?

Thirty years ago. After they overthrew an authoritarian monarch which the United States' government officials helped to put in power. After the CIA and MI6 executed a coup against Prime Minister Mossadegh because he would not let them interfere in the private business interests of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. After we had a democracy for the first time, and you overthrew it because of greed. Fifty-five years ago.

Now as far as the hostages are concerned, they were all returned home alive and well. Does that make what happened the right thing to do in the first place? In my humble opinion, no. But as far as grudges are concerned, I'd say we've got more of a reason to be angry at you all than you do at us. Myself included. Because the actions of your government directly affected my government- as well as myself and my family. But more importantly, your actions affected the course of Iran's history entirely.

As I said, we had a working democracy going; then you destroyed it. Because of greed. Not because we'd declared war on you, not because we'd declared you enemies of the state, not for any logical and justified reasons... you did it because you were greedy. For oil. And you didn't care one bit about what would happen in the future, or how many people would die from the aftereffects.

You set us back decades in our struggle for a positive change in our politics and government- if not centuries. The protesters in Tehran have not succeeded in their struggle. Without help and support, I doubt they ever will unfortunately.

Thanks for ruining my country and what my family had there.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Full marks to the guy on the left.

I think you mean "full MARX".

And for those who don't get the gist and ironic joke here, the USSR was created in the aftermath of overthrowing Tsar (or Czar) Nicholas II of the Empire of Russia. Tsar refers to a monarch; if Obama really is a Communist as these people are claiming, then he's not a part of a monarchy.

[Aramike]

Thirty years ago.

Wait - didn't you just bring up the US Civil War?