Push those tears nancy

[AVGWarhawk]

If only I could see the evil in what she said in that video. It seems to me she gets attacked for pointing out the very obvious in that video.

Do you really buy into the BS Skybird. As of late I'm beginning to think that you believe Charles Mason was just misunderstood and a great injustic has been imposed on him. You were taken hook, line and sinker on the race card with Jimmy Carter and now you feel Pelosi is correct in her fears. Come one man, here is a women who is dilusional and on the edge of a mental breakdown. She is completely out of control and reality. She is looking for sympathy from the blight she help create.

Quite true however most of them dont put up a stage show.

All the worlds a stage and politicians like the spotlight....unless of course the spotlight falls on their corruption or sexual shenanigans.

I agree with the others she really needs to go she is helping no one.

she is from the government and she is there to help you

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

she is from the government and she is there to help you

Eeeeek I run and hide. Scary words indeed.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Do you really buy into the BS Skybird. As of late I'm beginning to think that you believe Charles Mason was just misunderstood and a great injustic has been imposed on him. You were taken hook, line and sinker on the race card with Jimmy Carter and now you feel Pelosi is correct in her fears. Come one man, here is a women who is dilusional and on the edge of a mental breakdown. She is completely out of control and reality. She is looking for sympathy from the blight she help create.

Honestly said, I think reactions like yours are the far greater problem here, compared to what Pelosi said in that video.

Get some ground back under your feet, guys. There is a life inbetween polarised extremes. Reason is not exactly to be found in rethorics.

Obama getting compared to Hitler and Stalin. Health insurance getting compared to Nazi death camps. And me now getting compared to sympathisers of Charles Manson. Okay, I am convinced - now I see the pattern.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Honestly said, I think reactions like yours are the far greater problem here, compared to what Pelosi said in that video.

Get some ground back under your feet, guys. There is a life inbetween polarised extremes.

So tell me, what is the far greater problem here? I'm really interested in what an individual on the other side of the world has diagnosed as the far greater problem here, specifically my reactions to a withered old bag who is out of her league.

[August]

Crocodile tears from a woman who bears a major share of the responsibility for the political strife we face today.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

So tell me, what is the far greater problem here? I'm really interested in what an individual on the other side of the world has diagnosed as the far greater problem here, specifically my reactions to a withered old bag who is out of her league.

If you want to see the problem, just listen to your language and rethorics. and then take into account that this tone has been taken to the House, and the streets. If you remember the video, you will see that this problem is excactly what Pelosi has diagnosed with total precision .

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Skybird

If you want to see the problem, just listen to your language and rethorics. and then take into account that this tone has taken to the House, and the streets. If you remember the video, you will see that this problem is excactly what Pelosi has diagnosed with great precison and total accuratesse.

Yeah, it is called politics. The same rhetoric and language heard through 8 years of Bush. The same tone displayed. So really, what is the difference here? Why there is none I can see. She demonstrated nothing but a women who is under a great deal of stress. Really, Obama has been running her like a philly on race day. During the Bush administration she had no worries. Hell, did not even bother to attend CIA meetings. I guess the easy living center (Capitol Hill) is now closed since Obama is running the place.

She like Bush is a total failure.

[Aramike]

I find it amusing how people always try to act as though a negative phenomenom is new to their generation.

Can someone please tell me when politics in America were NOT abrasive, rude, and disrespectful?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Aramike

I find it amusing how people always try to act as though a negative phenomenom is new to their generation.

Can someone please tell me when politics in America were NOT abrasive, rude, and disrespectful?

Pelosi spent the better part of the Bush years name calling and with help from her buds right up there on Capitol Hill. Simple case of can dish it out but can't take it when dished back. It is beyond me why most seem to forget what happened during the Bush years. Granted he will go down as the most incompetent but I think history will treat Pelosi much worse than Bush.

"Hurry up fellas I have a plane to catch to Greece" et al Pelosi on signing the stimulus bill and TARP. Note the total precision on the that nice snapshot of what we are dealing with here.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Yeah, it is called politics. The same rhetoric and language heard through 8 years of Bush. The same tone displayed. So really, what is the difference here? Why there is none I can see. She demonstrated nothing but a women who is under a great deal of stress. Really, Obama has been running her like a philly on race day. During the Bush administration she had no worries. Hell, did not even bother to attend CIA meetings. I guess the easy living center (Capitol Hill) is now closed since Obama is running the place.

She like Bush is a total failure.

If you want to attack her over these things you just described in the above, start a thread on these things. This thread has been done over a certain short video where she said something, and over this short video she got attacked. And I say: got attacked wrongly, over staged allegations. And I said in my first reply that I strictly refer to the video in this thread. It is the basis for this thread.

Bush was not attacked by distorting his intentions just to get rid of him. He was attacked for a record as miserable as a record of an administration could be, he was attacked for the countable, checkable miserable results of his policies. He was not attacked because people imagined he would mess some things up, but because he actually had messed things up.

And you have to give to me that I did not lower myself to just ripplefiring slangwords at him, but that I attacked the consequences caused by his policies. Never I left it to just calling him a Hitler, or a monster. I explained why I called him a lobbyist of certain industrial circles, and called him stupid and short-sigthed in his "visions" for foreign policy and the Iraq war. and looking at Afghanistan today, and Iraq today and the forseeable future of it, the growing corruption, the breeding ethnic tensions again, I have been correct, all in all.

I find it bewildering that Obama gets called a propagator of death camps because he wants health insurance protection for one sixth of American citizens - while Bush has to accept responsibility for torture prisons in East Europe and the Middle East, the Abu Ghraib camp, the death of over 3000 american soldiers in a 10-years-preplanned war over false statements, and the forming of a situation where a not precisely defined 6 digit number of foreign people alltogether got killed so far, and many more have been suffering in diverse ways.

Debating death camps, anyone?

It has a long tradition, it seems, to make big fuss about perceived or real smaller missteps of Democeats in an attempt to make them appear as massive in their faults and failures as have the big scandals of Republicans been. It is an attempt to minimise the guilt of the one by demonising the other's faults. And that gets called a "question of fairness". That is as if a court decides a sentence for a murder on a basis of "the last case I decided guilty, so this case I decide as not guilty, then I have a fine balance between both, that'S just fair."

That is not fair - that is absurd.

Opposing other poltical assessements and disagreeing with other policies you can. But as Pelosi said - if we express our opinions in ways that border incitement and as I use to say: spike irrational emotions and turn them into destructive hostility, then this is a climate where violent words sooner or later will be followed by matching deeds. Everybody is respnsibole for the conseqeunces he triggers when behaving like this or that, or saying this in this or that way. So chose your means wisely, and with regard to the upheated atmosphere right now: with self-restraint. That is opportune, that is pragmatic, that is reasonable, that is according to what the founding father's idealistic heritage was meant to be in cultural value for coming generations.

Or in other words: that is fair.

[AVGWarhawk]

I was going to be long winded as you but to what end? I will be the last guy to comment on your countries leaders as I'm on the other side of the world. My view one hour from Washington DC is much different than yours.