SH4 on a Mac in a VM - Works!!!

Rockin Robbins · 09-15-09, 04:50 PM

I've read it too but the project leader is long gone and I haven't found any instructions that work. They were running it under WINE, which is not a virtual machine.

I've actually had much better luck running Linux programs under Windows with andLinux than I have running Windows stuff in Linux with WINE. Virtualbox would be the greatest but legally I'd have to buy another copy of Windows. Not going to do that. And I'm not going to cheat either because my dual boot system works just fine. If I need Windows I just boot it.

Dieselglock · 09-29-09, 01:48 PM

Hello,

I have been running SH3 with GWX3 Gold and SH4 with OM,RFB,TMO on separate installs for around 18 months now.

I have run these programs on 2 different Macbook Pro's. My latest Pro is a 2.8 Duo Core, 4G ram. It has a 9600M GT video card with 512 Memory. I can run all graphics settings at max.

With both Mac's I have used Bootcamp that is included in the Mac software to partition the Windows portion of the 500g Seagate installed. I run XP pro on the windows portion.

I would have to say I am more than happy with this setup. I would not go back.

Rockin Robbins · 09-29-09, 02:33 PM

Too bad Apple is a vendor of overpriced hardware first and a software company second. If I could buy OSX without having to buy their overpriced PC and I could run it on my present machine, I MIGHT be in the market. But their business model being what it is I just hiss in their general direction. Robber barons!

My PC is mine. I'll choose what's in it. I'll choose what software runs on it. I'll choose what software isn't on it. I'll choose whether I want to see web ads if I want, and will even choose which ones. I'm not interested in a non-upgradeable, second quality, black box type computer that assumes I'm a idiot. Of course it does that with a smile. It still irritates the dog squeeze out of me. Their PC/Mac guy commercials say it all. And Apple, in their smug arrogance, doesn't even realize how insulting to the public those are.

I'll never spend a penny on any Apple product. Other than that I wish them well.

Dieselglock · 09-29-09, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Too bad Apple is a vendor of overpriced hardware first and a software company second. If I could buy OSX without having to buy their overpriced PC and I could run it on my present machine, I MIGHT be in the market. But their business model being what it is I just hiss in their general direction. Robber barons!

My PC is mine. I'll choose what's in it. I'll choose what software runs on it. I'll choose what software isn't on it. I'll choose whether I want to see web ads if I want, and will even choose which ones. I'm not interested in a non-upgradeable, second quality, black box type computer that assumes I'm a idiot. Of course it does that with a smile. It still irritates the dog squeeze out of me. Their PC/Mac guy commercials say it all. And Apple, in their smug arrogance, doesn't even realize how insulting to the public those are.

I'll never spend a penny on any Apple product. Other than that I wish them well.

Everybody is entitled to there opinion. I love my Macbook Pro. I have owned Toshiba, Sony, Dell, Alienware (before they were owned by Dell), and Gateway. I like my Mac the best.

I have upgraded the memory and the hard drive. I don't believe it to be any harder to upgrade than any other laptop. I don't get any web ads either. I would have to say the quality is as good or better than any other laptop that I have owned. My wife has an Imac and she loves that too.
As for the comercial, I think it sucks too.

Ps thanks for all your tutorials and tips on manual targeting. I use your methods all the time.

Rockin Robbins · 09-30-09, 11:10 AM

No problem Dieselglock!

Actually it's kind of nice that Apple has partially yielded to the pressure to build PCs too. That you can run SH4 so well proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Apple has abandoned any claim to uniqueness and just builds PCs with a few proprietary ROMs in them.

Actually you can run OSX on many PCs but, of course, Apple makes it illegal to do so with its insistence that OSX be run only on Apple hardware, which is now no different than PC hardware with a different sticker on it. Sometimes the case is pretty cool looking to make up for the rapacious price. But as you mention, Alienware does the same thing.

Since I bit the bullet and made my own PC, I'm a nuts and bolts guy. I want to be able to swap in a new motherboard, microprocessor and memory to upgrade instead of buying the whole shooting match over again. That keeps me out of the laptop and Apple markets.

If Apple was smart, they'd put the arm on the game companies to produce Apple versions. Then maybe they'd make me happy and produce Linux versions too! Once people found out that they could play the game with twice the speed on a free operating system, they'd check it out. That might put additional pressure on both Microsoft and Apple to put the customer first and quit making lightening wallets their only goal.

SteamWake · 09-30-09, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

No problem Dieselglock!

Actually it's kind of nice that Apple has partially yielded to the pressure to build PCs too. That you can run SH4 so well proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Apple has abandoned any claim to uniqueness and just builds PCs with a few proprietary ROMs in them.

Actually you can run OSX on many PCs but, of course, Apple makes it illegal to do so with its insistence that OSX be run only on Apple hardware, which is now no different than PC hardware with a different sticker on it. Sometimes the case is pretty cool looking to make up for the rapacious price. But as you mention, Alienware does the same thing.

Since I bit the bullet and made my own PC, I'm a nuts and bolts guy. I want to be able to swap in a new motherboard, microprocessor and memory to upgrade instead of buying the whole shooting match over again. That keeps me out of the laptop and Apple markets.

If Apple was smart, they'd put the arm on the game companies to produce Apple versions. Then maybe they'd make me happy and produce Linux versions too! Once people found out that they could play the game with twice the speed on a free operating system, they'd check it out. That might put additional pressure on both Microsoft and Apple to put the customer first and quit making lightening wallets their only goal.

You know they actually started to do that early on but later made the decision that they (Mac) wanted to be taken seriously for serious work no time for silly games

Which is kind of weird as IBM had taken the same stance early on and look what happend

Rockin Robbins · 10-01-09, 10:09 AM

You know, that amazing thing is that Apple makes it illegal to use OSX on a Windows machine by being robber barons, and then uses the fact that Macs can run Windows in a virtual machine, while Windows machines can't run OSX (legally) in a virtual machine or any other way as a SALES GIMMICK! They don't understand that they're saying, "We're unethical gangsters so you should buy our crap. Here! We'll brag about what corporate thugs we are and you will buy!"

Same thing with Blue-ray. Sony played Al Capone, bribing, blackmail, gangster competition, not with the best product but with the most coercion, anything goes to eliminate all competition. Now we pay the price with two-thirds of the cost of every Blue-ray purchased to reimburse the gangsters for the graft it took for them to own the market. Not one penny to Sony, ever! Blue-rat could be the greatest thing on Earth and I'll never know or care. Some things are more valuable than entertainment.

You know, everything bad that has ever been said about Bill Gates and the Microsloth crew is true ten times over for Apple. But somehow Apple is "cool" and escapes any of the scorn and European legal hassle that Microsoft has had to go through, even though they really do everything and more that Microsoft seems to be hated for.

Talk about double standards! Where are the European suits against Apple, totally dictating what you can and cannot run on their machines? Apple is just as slimy a company as Sony. Not one penny of my budget ever for either company of thieves.

skidman · 09-01-13, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Actually it's kind of nice that Apple has partially yielded to the pressure to build PCs too. That you can run SH4 so well proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Apple has abandoned any claim to uniqueness and just builds PCs with a few proprietary ROMs in them.

The "unique" hardware (PPC) was not as high-performance as Apples's marketing had sermonized for years. In fact a core duo Mac mini easily outperformed a dual PPC G5 workstation benchmark-wise and in everyday use.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Actually you can run OSX on many PCs but, of course, Apple makes it illegal to do so with its insistence that OSX be run only on Apple hardware ...

Apple tries to enforce rules that suit them. In your country Apple's EULA applies to you as an end user, in my country it doesn't. In your country Apple in principle can take owners and makers of "Hackintoshs" to court and win, in my country they would never litigate because they cannot win. Don't blame Apple for trying to be as profitable as they are.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Since I bit the bullet and made my own PC, I'm a nuts and bolts guy. I want to be able to swap in a new motherboard, microprocessor and memory to upgrade instead of buying the whole shooting match over again. That keeps me out of the laptop and Apple markets.

That is why I started building my own custom "Macs" a few years ago: Scalability, ease of maintenance, cost/efficiency ratio. In Europe there are companies selling PCs with Mac OS X preinstalled.

This is odd: The first Apple vs. PC dispute I have come across in months and it is taking place on Subsim and triggered by someone playing SH in a VM

Silent Hunter: Windows
Servers: Linux / Unix
Anything else: OS X

Rockin Robbins · 09-01-13, 08:08 PM

Well the thing is that Apple abandoned its own microprocessor and its own computer architecture in favor of that called "PC." Whether PC is a good name for it or Standard Industry Architecture or something else, a Mac and a PC are now essentially the same machine. They use the same processor, same memory, same motherboard architecture, same peripherals.

Most Mac users have abandoned the one button mouse in favor of multi-button mice as in the PC world and in fact now they can use the same mice without regard for the supposed difference in machines.

Apple seems to be focused on differentiating themselves by a bewildering array of connectors which are good for nothing but Apple products. When the connector for the iPad was copied, along with just about every other aspect of the machine, by Le Pan and a few others, then companies started making chargers with connectors to make them compatible not only with iPads, but other devices and cell phones, Apple said, "That's enough!"

Now there is a freakazoid connector for the new iPad that isn't good for anything but the iPad and they are prohibiting the world from building anything with a compatible plug. But Apple is cool and when they play Al Capone we all sigh and in unison intone "Ain't that SO cute!"

I not only will blame Apple for their tactics in making their company as profitable as it is but will never pay them a penny for any of their products, no matter how cool or cute. Behind that cool cuteness lies a company with the mind of a thug.

I contend that the game companies should publish their games only for Linux. After all, the gamer with a free operating system and free software has lots of extra money to buy games with that PC and Mac customers do not. Ubuntu and some other Linux distributions are ready for prime time. Steam is already there. I played Counterstrike Source in Ubuntu with Steam and the only difference I noticed from the PC version is that I had more FPS. Watch out Microsoft! Those footsteps you hear are real.

09-01-13, 08:13 PM

Pardon my butting in, but anytime I see Mac mentioned here I tune in.
"This is odd: The first Apple vs. PC dispute I have come across in months and it is taking place on Subsim and triggered by someone playing SH in a VM "

I've been playing Sh4 on my MacPro using Osx 10.7.n for over a year. Game runs better to my eye, but alas, I still get an occasional CTD. I run with Wineskin using a wrapper. Works as well, maybe even better than under Bootcamp, or the VM. I use the "4 gig patch", so I get SH4 to use 3 gig of ram. Try it, you'll like it.

Byee.

09-15-09, 04:50 PM	#1
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	I've read it too but the project leader is long gone and I haven't found any instructions that work. They were running it under WINE, which is not a virtual machine. I've actually had much better luck running Linux programs under Windows with andLinux than I have running Windows stuff in Linux with WINE. Virtualbox would be the greatest but legally I'd have to buy another copy of Windows. Not going to do that. And I'm not going to cheat either because my dual boot system works just fine. If I need Windows I just boot it. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

09-29-09, 01:48 PM	#2
Dieselglock Wolf of the deep Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Arizona,USA Posts: 213 Downloads: 566 Uploads: 0	Hello, I have been running SH3 with GWX3 Gold and SH4 with OM,RFB,TMO on separate installs for around 18 months now. I have run these programs on 2 different Macbook Pro's. My latest Pro is a 2.8 Duo Core, 4G ram. It has a 9600M GT video card with 512 Memory. I can run all graphics settings at max. With both Mac's I have used Bootcamp that is included in the Mac software to partition the Windows portion of the 500g Seagate installed. I run XP pro on the windows portion. I would have to say I am more than happy with this setup. I would not go back. __________________ NYGM STEEL COFFIN V7.5 / Rik007: SH-3 Night surface attack 1.20 / CCOM12 FIFI / ONEALEX 1.53

09-29-09, 02:33 PM	#3
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Too bad Apple is a vendor of overpriced hardware first and a software company second. If I could buy OSX without having to buy their overpriced PC and I could run it on my present machine, I MIGHT be in the market. But their business model being what it is I just hiss in their general direction. Robber barons! My PC is mine. I'll choose what's in it. I'll choose what software runs on it. I'll choose what software isn't on it. I'll choose whether I want to see web ads if I want, and will even choose which ones. I'm not interested in a non-upgradeable, second quality, black box type computer that assumes I'm a idiot. Of course it does that with a smile. It still irritates the dog squeeze out of me. Their PC/Mac guy commercials say it all. And Apple, in their smug arrogance, doesn't even realize how insulting to the public those are. I'll never spend a penny on any Apple product. Other than that I wish them well. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

09-30-09, 11:10 AM	#5
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	No problem Dieselglock! Actually it's kind of nice that Apple has partially yielded to the pressure to build PCs too. That you can run SH4 so well proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Apple has abandoned any claim to uniqueness and just builds PCs with a few proprietary ROMs in them. Actually you can run OSX on many PCs but, of course, Apple makes it illegal to do so with its insistence that OSX be run only on Apple hardware, which is now no different than PC hardware with a different sticker on it. Sometimes the case is pretty cool looking to make up for the rapacious price. But as you mention, Alienware does the same thing. Since I bit the bullet and made my own PC, I'm a nuts and bolts guy. I want to be able to swap in a new motherboard, microprocessor and memory to upgrade instead of buying the whole shooting match over again. That keeps me out of the laptop and Apple markets. If Apple was smart, they'd put the arm on the game companies to produce Apple versions. Then maybe they'd make me happy and produce Linux versions too! Once people found out that they could play the game with twice the speed on a free operating system, they'd check it out. That might put additional pressure on both Microsoft and Apple to put the customer first and quit making lightening wallets their only goal. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

10-01-09, 10:09 AM	#7
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	You know, that amazing thing is that Apple makes it illegal to use OSX on a Windows machine by being robber barons, and then uses the fact that Macs can run Windows in a virtual machine, while Windows machines can't run OSX (legally) in a virtual machine or any other way as a SALES GIMMICK! They don't understand that they're saying, "We're unethical gangsters so you should buy our crap. Here! We'll brag about what corporate thugs we are and you will buy!" Same thing with Blue-ray. Sony played Al Capone, bribing, blackmail, gangster competition, not with the best product but with the most coercion, anything goes to eliminate all competition. Now we pay the price with two-thirds of the cost of every Blue-ray purchased to reimburse the gangsters for the graft it took for them to own the market. Not one penny to Sony, ever! Blue-rat could be the greatest thing on Earth and I'll never know or care. Some things are more valuable than entertainment. You know, everything bad that has ever been said about Bill Gates and the Microsloth crew is true ten times over for Apple. But somehow Apple is "cool" and escapes any of the scorn and European legal hassle that Microsoft has had to go through, even though they really do everything and more that Microsoft seems to be hated for. Talk about double standards! Where are the European suits against Apple, totally dictating what you can and cannot run on their machines? Apple is just as slimy a company as Sony. Not one penny of my budget ever for either company of thieves. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS Last edited by Rockin Robbins; 10-01-09 at 10:49 AM.

09-01-13, 08:08 PM	#9
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Well the thing is that Apple abandoned its own microprocessor and its own computer architecture in favor of that called "PC." Whether PC is a good name for it or Standard Industry Architecture or something else, a Mac and a PC are now essentially the same machine. They use the same processor, same memory, same motherboard architecture, same peripherals. Most Mac users have abandoned the one button mouse in favor of multi-button mice as in the PC world and in fact now they can use the same mice without regard for the supposed difference in machines. Apple seems to be focused on differentiating themselves by a bewildering array of connectors which are good for nothing but Apple products. When the connector for the iPad was copied, along with just about every other aspect of the machine, by Le Pan and a few others, then companies started making chargers with connectors to make them compatible not only with iPads, but other devices and cell phones, Apple said, "That's enough!" Now there is a freakazoid connector for the new iPad that isn't good for anything but the iPad and they are prohibiting the world from building anything with a compatible plug. But Apple is cool and when they play Al Capone we all sigh and in unison intone "Ain't that SO cute!" I not only will blame Apple for their tactics in making their company as profitable as it is but will never pay them a penny for any of their products, no matter how cool or cute. Behind that cool cuteness lies a company with the mind of a thug. I contend that the game companies should publish their games only for Linux. After all, the gamer with a free operating system and free software has lots of extra money to buy games with that PC and Mac customers do not. Ubuntu and some other Linux distributions are ready for prime time. Steam is already there. I played Counterstrike Source in Ubuntu with Steam and the only difference I noticed from the PC version is that I had more FPS. Watch out Microsoft! Those footsteps you hear are real. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

09-01-13, 08:13 PM	#10
jldjs Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Pardon my butting in, but anytime I see Mac mentioned here I tune in. "This is odd: The first Apple vs. PC dispute I have come across in months and it is taking place on Subsim and triggered by someone playing SH in a VM " I've been playing Sh4 on my MacPro using Osx 10.7.n for over a year. Game runs better to my eye, but alas, I still get an occasional CTD. I run with Wineskin using a wrapper. Works as well, maybe even better than under Bootcamp, or the VM. I use the "4 gig patch", so I get SH4 to use 3 gig of ram. Try it, you'll like it. Byee.