1.5 MILLION at DC Tea Party

[Platapus]

This is why the decisions on what to spend money on are not left up to the citizens. Every citizen would have their personal opinions on what is important and not important.

For every program you think is important, there will be another citizen who thinks it is not important. Public opinion is no way to run a country. This is why we are not a democracy but a republic (and that is a good thing!)

Its called stop spending all OUR money on welfare programs for everything from corporations to illegal immigrants, stop running up our debt at every turn.

That is what I was asking about. That is an emotional response not a practical one. Do the teabaggers have a plan for implementing this change in a way that does not totally disrupt our nation? We can't just yank all funding from a program without a plan? Just because some of them don't like a program does not mean it is a bad program.

Instead of the waving of signs, why don't these people stay in their own state and work to make the system better. If they don't like their current representative, then find a better one and start working the campaign to get them elected? Seems to me to be way better than just hanging around in parking lots whining.

In the mean time, instead of hanging around in parking lots, why don't they write to their current representative and offer a practical plan? Better yet, why don't they take some of the energy and start working with their state congresses to fix the problem.

It appears to me that the teabaggers are more interested in mobs and publicity than actually working to fix the problem.

[magic452]

May be they are doing it for the same reasons that Martin Luther King supporters did it or the anti war marches of the 60's did it. Or so many others did it when they felt their voices weren't being heard.
They weren't just hanging around in parking lots whining.

To belittle American citizens for exercising the right to free speech and freedom to assemble is very small indeed.

You have no idea of what other actions these people have taken. They may have done all the things you suggest and felt it wasn't enough.

Yes they do have a plan and it is being put forth by their elected representatives in Congress but the other side will not even listen to them.
Or at least they won't listen unless they get public support.

In the local town hall meetings they were discounted as right wing nut jobs or professional disruptors or even worse and all this by the present administration and news media.

They are taking action to be heard now because they believe that two or four years from now will be too late.

This is as it should be in a free America.

Magic

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by magic452

May be they are doing it for the same reasons that Martin Luther King supporters did it or the anti war marches of the 60's did it. Or so many others did it when they felt their voices weren't being heard.
They weren't just hanging around in parking lots whining.

To belittle American citizens for exercising the right to free speech and freedom to assemble is very small indeed.

You have no idea of what other actions these people have taken. They may have done all the things you suggest and felt it wasn't enough.

Yes they do have a plan and it is being put forth by their elected representatives in Congress but the other side will not even listen to them.
Or at least they won't listen unless they get public support.

In the local town hall meetings they were discounted as right wing nut jobs or professional disruptors or even worse and all this by the present administration and news media.

They are taking action to be heard now because they believe that two or four years from now will be too late.

This is as it should be in a free America.

Magic

Good post!

[Freiwillige]

Maybe people should take a look at the role of the federal government. It is not to be big brother, It is not to bully and threaten the states. It is not even to be the guide to The U.S. financial future. We are states before we are a country. With each state having certain rights within the nation, Hence the name United States. We are not called Federal conglomerate for a reason.
Taxes are actually quite specific in their intended nature.

Call me a wing nut or a moon bat but our founding fathers were actually against what we currently have. The farther we move away from the guidelines they set forth for us the closer to failure we become.

My 2 cents

They are taking action to be heard now because they believe that two or four years from now will be too late.

They are taking action to be heard now because they don't like the results of the election.
If they are opposing government healthcare where were they when medicare went into place ?
If they oppose the federal government eroding rights and trampling the constitution where were they when the Patriot act was created?
If they oppose government bailouts where were they when Bush signed TARP?

To belittle American citizens for exercising the right to free speech and freedom to assemble is very small indeed.

Is it? tell that to those who belittled protesters under the last administration

[Dread Knot]

Where is the outrage at Wall Street? The same guys that got billions of our money, and are right back into the same old swamp of cdo's, default swaps, astronomical bonsuses and all the other garbage that got us into this mess in the first place. I hated TARP, I hated bailing out the automakers that STILL went bankrupt. I am fine with rallying against wasteful government spending. I just can't figure out why there isn't any outrage and protesting against the very same entitled elite morons that got us into this financial mess, and are right back at it like nothing happened. In fact, they are scheming up new ways to gamble our economy. Take a look into their newest shell game. They are actually looking at buying out life insurance plans of those facing death, bundling these bought insurance plans as packages, and selling them to investors. If you die before your plan matures, BINGO, instant profit! Where is the outrage over this?

[August]

Originally Posted by Dread Knot

Where is the outrage at Wall Street? The same guys that got billions of our money, and are right back into the same old swamp of cdo's, default swaps, astronomical bonsuses and all the other garbage that got us into this mess in the first place. I hated TARP, I hated bailing out the automakers that STILL went bankrupt. I am fine with rallying against wasteful government spending. I just can't figure out why there isn't any outrage and protesting against the very same entitled elite morons that got us into this financial mess, and are right back at it like nothing happened. In fact, they are scheming up new ways to gamble our economy. Take a look into their newest shell game. They are actually looking at buying out life insurance plans of those facing death, bundling these bought insurance plans as packages, and selling them to investors. If you die before your plan matures, BINGO, instant profit! Where is the outrage over this?

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[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

They are taking action to be heard now because they don't like the results of the election.
If they are opposing government healthcare where were they when medicare went into place ?
If they oppose the federal government eroding rights and trampling the constitution where were they when the Patriot act was created?
If they oppose government bailouts where were they when Bush signed TARP?


Is it? tell that to those who belittled protesters under the last administration

Yep there all Racisist Bigoted Bush Loving mind numb Limbaugh following robots.

Could it just be possible that they have never seen so much done so quickly to press a liberal agenda and have a problem with that?

Nah that cant be there just pissed a black man is in office.

Yep there all Racisist Bigoted Bush Loving mind numb Limbaugh following robots.

Could it just be possible that they have never seen so much done so quickly to press a liberal agenda and have a problem with that?

Nah that cant be there just pissed a black man is in office.

Well Steamwake that must be one of the most epic failures in reading I have witnessed in quite some time.
So do tell, what on earth does your statement have to do with what you quoted?

[August]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

If they are opposing government healthcare where were they when medicare went into place ?

That was in 1965. At the time I was 5 years old and I apologize for not having my anti-medicare arguments prepared.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Platapus

So do these teabaggers offer any practical solutions?

Here's a few off the top:

1. Expand health savings accounts.
2. Allow individual consumers to deduct the cost of their health insurance from their taxable income, just as their employers do.
3. Controls on medical malpractice suits.
4. Allow individuals to buy insurance across state lines.
5. Allow like groups to combine their numbers to buy large group health insurance policies.
6. Expand the treatment authority of nurse practitioners
7. End state imposed insurance mandates that drive insurance costs up.

This ain't all inclusive either. These ideas are much better than what the Democrats have put forth. These ideas above serve to create an environment for independence, self sufficiency, and dignity for the consumer and taxpayer. The Democrats only build plans that create dependence on the government, and burdens on taxpayers. One thing Democrats cannot allow is people to feel self-sufficient and independant. Hard to keep people shallow, weak, feeble, fearful, and on the government plantation that way.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Here's a few off the top:

1. Expand health savings accounts.
2. Allow individual consumers to deduct the cost of their health insurance from their taxable income, just as their employers do.
3. Controls on medical malpractice suits.
4. Allow individuals to buy insurance across state lines.
5. Allow like groups to combine their numbers to buy large group health insurance policies.
6. Expand the treatment authority of nurse practitioners
7. End state imposed insurance mandates that drive insurance costs up.

This ain't all inclusive either. These ideas are much better than what the Democrats have put forth. These ideas above serve to create an environment for independence, self sufficiency, and dignity for the consumer and taxpayer. The Democrats only build plans that create dependence on the government, and burdens on taxpayers. One thing Democrats cannot allow is people to feel self-sufficient and independant. Hard to keep people shallow, weak, feeble, fearful, and on the government plantation that way.

Nothing new here all these alternatives have been proposed, discussed, and dismissed or ignored.

Whats being overlooked here is that there is much more to this agenda than healthcare.

Its about expanding federal goverments reach and control.

That is what has people so dismayed.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Nothing new here all these alternatives have been proposed, discussed, and dismissed or ignored.

Whats being overlooked here is that there is much more to this agenda than healthcare.

Its about expanding federal goverments reach and control.

That is what has people so dismayed.

Right. But I was just pointing out there are much better alternatives to the Democrats' horrifically bad plans. Since somebody else asked the question. Speaking of agendas...I agree with you. One thing the Democrats can't seem to answer is if Obamacare is so centered on healthcare reform, why do so many parts of the Obamacare plan benefit labor unions. Why do so many parts seem to promote unionization? Of course it's not about healthcare....it's about control.

That was in 1965. At the time I was 5 years old and I apologize for not having my anti-medicare arguments prepared.

So did you not have arguements prepared in 1997 2003 2006?

[magic452]

Is it? tell that to those who belittled protesters under the last administration.
I though that I did just that. I didn't single out any particular protest.
I support that right regardless of the cause and those that belittle any of them are very small indeed.

If they oppose government bailouts where were they when Bush signed TARP?
TARP was passed by a Democratic congress and signed by a Republican president. It was a hastily drawn up bill that was implemented all wrong.
The original intent was to do something about toxic mortgages. That may have done some good but by the time the politicians got done it turned out to be a big business spending spree. Those that opposed it were written off as nut jobs. Nobody knew what was in the bill because it had to be passed yesterday and there was little if any oversight.

The same thing happened with the so call Stimulus Package, 780 billion and next to zero results. This was little more than a liberal spending spree doing next to nothing about fixing the failing economy. Some of aims of it are worthwhile but doing it on borrowed money is not very smart.

There was plenty of opposition to that as well but to no avail. This again was crammed down out throats by THIS administration saying that it too had to pass yesterday, yet the vast majority of the money wasn't to be spent for several years. Obama said so in speech just recently.

Why should we make the same mistake again on health care.
Those other mistakes will go away in time but a health care mistake will live forever, yet this administration wanted it passed last month so nobody would know what was in the bill. SOS different day.

If they oppose the federal government eroding rights and trampling the constitution where were they when the Patriot act was created?
A more important question is where were you??????

This president is probability the most liberal of all time and yet he has not seen it necessary to repeal the Patriot Act but instead has purposed increasing it to include the internet. May be now that he is in a position to see what is really going on he also sees a need for it.

If they are opposing government healthcare where were they when medicare went into place ?
Medicare in it's original form was a very good idea, to insure the health and well being of those who spent a lifetime building this country. It was to be a pay as you go insurance program that those who participated in, would benefit from. That is a far cry from what is purposed today. It is only the mismanagement of the program that has caused the problems we have today and that only re-enforce the idea we should not go down that path again.

If a government run heath insurance program, in any form, passes, anyone, any were in the world with a serious medical condition and a plane ticket will be able to receive 100% no limit health care with no questions asked. That isn't in the bill you and the president say. Maybe not but the ACLU and the Supreme Court will surely make it so. If you have any doubts about this you must be living in some sort of dream world.
What is in the bill now will not be what is in the program 4, 5 or 10 years from now.

Our wonderful speaker of the house stated recently that the program would be paid for in part by cutting out waste and abuse. What a crock,
Health insurance for 300,000,000 people will be such a massive program that no entity in the world could administer efficiently, opening the flood gates to fraud and abuse. The total cost of this will be staggering.

Maybe TARP, Medicare and the others were mistakes, I don't think they ALL were, but many do. That is their right and I will defend that right and not call them names.

If there was no protest to them than, that does not preclude protest now.
Previous mistakes do not mean that we should make yet another one.

Where were they then? Doesn't matter! Where they are now and what they are doing now does.

Many people are fed up with BIG government running every aspect of their lives and are speaking out. They don't want more.

Just my $1.02 worth

Magic