What, No Tip? Service Charge Faces Struggle at Restaurants - Page 2

SteamWake · 09-09-09, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

they need to work for their money.

My god man what are you saying !

AVGWarhawk · 09-09-09, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

My god man what are you saying !

Yeah, really! Hey, this weekend I had to replace my entire front door/jam and related molding around the door. Needless to say I was back and forth to the Lowes. I would have to say everyone said hello and were right their to help me. Quite a turn around from a year ago when you could find no one to help at all. I have notice quite a few stores have much more helpful workers now.

Thomen · 09-09-09, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Problem in having the tip built into the bill is the server can do whatever they want and still get paid. That is awful. Like anyone else, they need to work for their money. Sluffing around and dragging butt is not the type of waiter I need.

Not really. It really depends on the restaurant owner and its staff. Just because the tip is included, does not mean the waiters are lazy. Sure, you get those, but you also get those here in the states, where they depend on the tip.

Schroeder · 09-09-09, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Problem in having the tip built into the bill is the server can do whatever they want and still get paid. That is awful. Like anyone else, they need to work for their money.

And having it not built into the bill means that the server might work for free. That isn't just either is it? You got served and that is what you have to pay for (if you didn't get served at all you don't pay anything).

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Sluffing around and dragging butt is not the type of waiter I need.

How long would such a waiter do that before getting kicked out by the restaurant owner?
The tip is not the only motivation for good service.

SteamWake · 09-09-09, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

How long would such a waiter do that before getting kicked out by the restaurant owner?
The tip is not the only motivation for good service.

Well it helps keep the managements payroll down for one thing.

The 'average' consumer knows when the servers are 'mailing it in" and respond accordingly.

AVGWarhawk · 09-09-09, 11:40 AM

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And having it not built into the bill means that the server might work for free. That isn't just either is it? You got served and that is what you have to pay for (if you didn't get served at all you don't pay anything).

So in your world having to constantly ask for drinks or not getting what was ordered is ok for a tip? I can see that you saying, 'you got served' is how you justify the tip. It is called service not 'you got served'. Like any other service, everyone expects good service...not just served. Cops serve you warrants. Waiter provided a service. You show up with your thumb in my soup a tip of any great value is not forthcoming.

Shearwater · 09-09-09, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Problem in having the tip built into the bill is the server can do whatever they want and still get paid. That is awful. Like anyone else, they need to work for their money. Sluffing around and dragging butt is not the type of waiter I need.

Last Friday, I was out with a friend and had a couple of beers, at least that was the plan. We went to our usual pub and waited for the waitress. It was warm and we were sitting outside, but she didn't even bother to look (I could see her inside). After about half an hour, I went inside and said that we'd like to order ...

Needless to say, I didn't tip her. I guess she is/was new (don't come home that often anymore), and as I said, the service is usually good. The other waitress knows in advance what each of us is going to order, so we only have to confirm her suggestions.

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Here, you must realize that the way it is set up, the restaurant only pays the server $2.35 an hour.

I didn't really know it was so little, but then again I guess it's a different system in the US. I usually just round up the bill to the nearest even number, so tips are usually around 50 cents when I just have a couple of beers. Even tips for a dinner with several persons hardly exceed 4 or 5 euros , and I don't think that's stingy.
So if you really want to punish bad service, your only way is not to go there anymore.

XabbaRus · 09-09-09, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by danlisa

Different approach in the UK, especially in Restaurants etc.

The commission is actually built into your bill. What would you prefer in this instance?

The option to tip based on your service, giving more if you feel it deserves it or just to have a fixed percentage deducted from your wallet by default.

Other than that, exclusively looking at the catering trade, I understand that US waiter/waitresses survive on tips, while in comparison the UK equivalents earn enough to not worry about it.

I don't agree with tipping because of public perception or the position of the person expecting a tip.

Is it? When ever I check there is nothing in the bill saying service charge included....

danlisa · 09-09-09, 10:50 AM

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Is it? When ever I check there is nothing in the bill saying service charge included....

Depends where you go. Restaurants break it down, likes of McDee or BK don't. You know how it is here, everything is stealth.....

Thomen · 09-09-09, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Is it? When ever I check there is nothing in the bill saying service charge included....

I think is usually written on the menu.

AVGWarhawk · 09-09-09, 10:27 AM

The size of the tip is commensurate with the service given. If the server needs to be constantly asked to fill the drinks on the table or does not bring all that was ordered the tip will be 15% of the bill. If they are really bad the tip is much lower thatn 15%. If the server is excellent and or goes above and beyond, the the tip is much greater than 15% of the bill. I do not tip anyone but the folks in the restaurants. So, tipping is not getting out of hand in my part of the forest.

August · 09-09-09, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The size of the tip is commensurate with the service given. If the server needs to be constantly asked to fill the drinks on the table or does not bring all that was ordered the tip will be 15% of the bill. If they are really bad the tip is much lower thatn 15%. If the server is excellent and or goes above and beyond, the the tip is much greater than 15% of the bill. I do not tip anyone but the folks in the restaurants. So, tipping is not getting out of hand in my part of the forest.

That's pretty much how I go about it, with the one exception that i'll often give a breakfast waitress a tip equal to the entire meals bill. Only bar waitresses work harder and they're much better compensated than breakfast servers.

After all 15% of a $6 buck meal ain't all that much compensation for dealing with a bunch of people before they have their coffee.

mookiemookie · 09-09-09, 10:26 AM

It makes sense. The cost on the menu is the cost of the food. The tip is the cost of the service and that's up to the customer to determine the quality of and the size of the tip reflects it.

Kapt Z · 09-09-09, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

It makes sense. The cost on the menu is the cost of the food. The tip is the cost of the service and that's up to the customer to determine the quality of and the size of the tip reflects it.

That sums it up for me.

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